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<blockquote data-quote="ph0rk" data-source="post: 8273651" data-attributes="member: 16266"><p>I'm with you but for the minimal investment part. A feat (even a half feat) is not a minimal investment, fighters don't have infinite feats. Additionally, Skill Expert can only be taken once, and if they use the double prof bonus on intimidation they can't use it for investigation, perception, or athletics. They might have access to Prodigy, but now we are using two feats, and that is a rather high investment early game.</p><p></p><p>And, even with that investment a Bard can and will still dominate in that arena simply because they have a better check and class features that support it. In a scenario where there is no bard or the bard doesn't care about that particular style of social stuff, awesome. In a scenario where the bard wants to do the same stuff? Problems, because the bard will aways be better at it.</p><p></p><p>I can easily see a bard going for a cha of 20 by level 4, which means an intimidation check of +11 if they want it at level 6. Even with Skill Expert, the fighter can't touch that, and that's before spells and class features (other than expertise) come into play.</p><p></p><p>It's akin to a dex fighter with the criminal background and thieve's tools. No rogue? Awesome, at least someone can open locks. With a rogue that took expertise in thieve's tools? Not as awesome.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ph0rk, post: 8273651, member: 16266"] I'm with you but for the minimal investment part. A feat (even a half feat) is not a minimal investment, fighters don't have infinite feats. Additionally, Skill Expert can only be taken once, and if they use the double prof bonus on intimidation they can't use it for investigation, perception, or athletics. They might have access to Prodigy, but now we are using two feats, and that is a rather high investment early game. And, even with that investment a Bard can and will still dominate in that arena simply because they have a better check and class features that support it. In a scenario where there is no bard or the bard doesn't care about that particular style of social stuff, awesome. In a scenario where the bard wants to do the same stuff? Problems, because the bard will aways be better at it. I can easily see a bard going for a cha of 20 by level 4, which means an intimidation check of +11 if they want it at level 6. Even with Skill Expert, the fighter can't touch that, and that's before spells and class features (other than expertise) come into play. It's akin to a dex fighter with the criminal background and thieve's tools. No rogue? Awesome, at least someone can open locks. With a rogue that took expertise in thieve's tools? Not as awesome. [/QUOTE]
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