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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8273925" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>this is why I don't think this is a real problem in 5e compared to previous editions. Now lets take your example give the bard a +24 to Persuasion. Aka him on his worst day (rolled a 1) is better than you on your best (rolled a 20). In that example, there is literally nothing you can say that is more persuasive than the bard making a fart noise. By you "including" yourself in the conversation, all you have done is increased the chance of failure.</p><p></p><p>Such degrees were very possible in older editions. Now you could play it the reverse, where the non-bard can do something social that the bard failed to do, but then of course you have the issue of "what is the point of having my +24 persuasion if I literally don't have mythical persuasion?"</p><p></p><p>But 5e solved a lot of that with greater bounded accuracy (though there are some +5 magic items that can bring it back a tad). Your right that when your dealing with +10 vs +3....sure the bard is going to be the best, but not so good that others can't be better at the right oppurtunity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8273925, member: 5889"] this is why I don't think this is a real problem in 5e compared to previous editions. Now lets take your example give the bard a +24 to Persuasion. Aka him on his worst day (rolled a 1) is better than you on your best (rolled a 20). In that example, there is literally nothing you can say that is more persuasive than the bard making a fart noise. By you "including" yourself in the conversation, all you have done is increased the chance of failure. Such degrees were very possible in older editions. Now you could play it the reverse, where the non-bard can do something social that the bard failed to do, but then of course you have the issue of "what is the point of having my +24 persuasion if I literally don't have mythical persuasion?" But 5e solved a lot of that with greater bounded accuracy (though there are some +5 magic items that can bring it back a tad). Your right that when your dealing with +10 vs +3....sure the bard is going to be the best, but not so good that others can't be better at the right oppurtunity. [/QUOTE]
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