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Message: <blockquote data-quote="karianna" data-source="post: 3391168" data-attributes="member: 8340">I'm afraid that some of your facts are incorrect, hopefully I can explain things clearly, Oh I'm the Chair Person of PCGen BTW and not affiliated with CMP in any way shape or form <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.PCGen is an open source project that is still _very_ healthy and _very_ active (a team of 60 contributors and over 6000 community members can attest to that).  As Paul stated above PCGen and WotC talked at GenCon '02 to discuss our assumption that we were operating under fair use. WotC informed PCGen that they were infringing upon their IP and PCGen realised that we'd have to remove those datasets.Some PCGen members wanted to still be able to supply WotC datasets to the community and so they discussed that with WotC and CMP was born.  I don't think the community didn't lose out because CMP was formed, in fact CMP (or a company like CMP) was the only legal way to get WotC datasets to PCGen users.  PCGen _had_ to remove those datasets regardless of CMP forming or not."The project" I assume you mean CMP (as PCGen is a separate open source entity to CMP).  CMP simply sold WotC datasets for PCGen and was forced to use the LST data format since that is what our project uses!I can't comment on the pricing, I code datasets for myself <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.I totally agree that LST is not an ideal format for beginners, it is not just a data language, but a programming language in its own right.  Yes we will change this in the future, but that is several versions away.  Unfortunately PCGen has evolved with having to support increasingly complex rules so LST has continued to evolve quickly in order to support these complex rules.We do provide a complete documentation set and tutorials etc to assist users but I can totally understand that it can be difficult to produce these sets (ironically this is the reason why CMP was able to sell sets, people could appreciate the time and effort to code up a complete book and were happy to pay for that).Actually we have a web community of over 6000 members, so goodness knows how many more thousands of actual users actually still us PCGen for creating D&D characters (and d20 Modern characters and sidewinder characters and....).  We can legally supply the RSRD (which is the basis of the core books) which the thousands of users I've mentioned above are more than happy to use.  I could give you detailed stats on daily downloads and daily additions to our community, but I suspect I'm blathering here <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.  I certainly know that a majority are not CMP customers otherwise the CMP owners would have retired in the Cayman islands by now <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Hope that helps clear things up!</blockquote>

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