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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4707320" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yes, of course, I bow to your obviously utterly superior knowledge and tactics. Our DM(s) are all just pushovers, etc. Whatever...I could endlessly extend this debate ad-infinitum and yeah, I've got answers for all of your various scenarios. Will everything the party does work out perfectly? No, but being well equipped, having good backup plans, and using a lot more sophisticated tactics than those normally envisaged DO give you a huge advantage.Let me take this gnoll ambush thing as an example. Yes, actually the rogue will almost certainly escape. He can run and double move, plus fey step is an option. So actually his movement potential is 16 squares. He can key his initial movement to the enemy as well, so unless you can manage to kill him off in the surprise round he's very unlikely to fail to get at least 80' back in the direction of help, and I would consider it unwise to scout 100's of feet ahead. If there are 7 gnolls down the hall then he IS certainly going to detect some of them, he's got a 75% chance to detect EACH ONE that is in his line of sight.I could go on as to the type of equipment we typically carry as well. In a dungeon type of setting it includes things like a nice 6' long log with a number of holes carved into it and a set of sharpened stakes that can be inserted into the holes. That can be used to block off a hallway, used as a battering ram, or as an impromptu bridge over a pit, etc. Very useful. We also habitually carry a couple of large wooden barriers which can be set up as cover, dropped on top of inconvenient things we don't want to step on or neutralize at least some examples of difficult terrain. Smoke is perfectly simple to create. Certainly it isn't going to be like a CS grenade your HRT seal team can carry, but some pitch, straw, etc will work reasonably well. That sort of stuff IS going to give you a significant edge in that kind of environment. Now I know that you as the DM can simply hand wave away any possible advantage a party can create for itself, but if you object to what we do and call it all 'meta-gaming' then I certainly submit to you that the same argument goes for the DM in the other direction. I mean come on.</blockquote>

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