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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Splart" data-source="post: 4399248" data-attributes="member: 12316">One of the limitations of the spreadsheet is that it cannot account for changing attacks during the career of a PC.  To keep a reasonable level of complexity, it assumes you use the same attack from level 1 to 30.  For the case of the rogue multi-classed into ranger, for levels 1-10, a different column has to be used.  The same is true for the ranger.  Until level 11 when he becomes a Stormwarden and gets Scimitar Dance, he is better off using his bow than meleeing.  That's why I have two ranger columns.  The longbow ranger is for 1-10 and the scimitar ranger is for 11+.All of the special attacks, Quarry, Lock Curse, and Sneak Attack are called "Quarry" for simplicity in the spreadsheet.The next version of the spreadsheet will allow a modifier to Sneak Attack damage, to show that it's not a sure thing.  On the other hand, I find that because of the heavy damage rogues do when flanking, if partnered with a marking fighter, they often give the fighter free attacks.  It's not exact, but it does account for some additional damage when the rogue does have CA.Hmm.  You're right.  In a literal duel riposte would be a big factor.  I don't think of it as an actual duel.  It's just a metaphor to show how good offense is compared to defense.As Loisel already showed with his spreadsheet, even brutal scoundrel, riposte strike, and a rapier does less damage than a ranger.  Since the rogue/ranger does nearly as much damage as the ranger Stormwarden, but with a much better AC, it's clearly the better path.  Once Twin Strike is available, Riposte Strike is irrelevant.  In order to do a melee Twin Strike, the rogue MUST wield two weapons and use Str as his modifier.  This means no shield and probably not enough stats left after maximizing Str and Dex for Con to get Hide Armor or Spec Hide feats.  That's 4 points of AC (large shield 2, shield spec 1, hide spec 1) lost at 30, which will kill the rogue's Gives to Gets ratio, or damage inflicted to suffered ratio.  A Str bonus to Sneak Attack comes nowhere near making up for it.--Splart</blockquote>

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