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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Reaper Steve" data-source="post: 3746989" data-attributes="member: 51528">I'm just chiming in to say that I strongly hope that rangers will be martial only, with no inherent arcane or divine abilities/spells. What I really want is the Scout, so I'm happy that the rnger kills him and takes his stuff. But hopefully he then drops the magic in the process.If a character wants it, he can multiclass/prestige class. Or maybe they can set up the talent trees such that you can have a purely martial/mundane Aragorn type if you like, or choose certain talents that start crossing the lines into druid territory.Of course, I'd also like the Ranger to lose the auto-two-weapon fighting. I thought that was a horrible idea in 2e. I like how they handle it in SWSE, where it's a series of feats and there's no real point taking them for the first few levels. That being said, I also understand that they are powering up 1st level chars in 4e to be able to play a hero right out the gate. With that in mind, I'm fine with it staying since it's part of a pardigm shift.Continuing the stream of conscious rambling...what makes a ranger a ranger? If they get the talent trees, multiclassing, and prestige classes right, one should be able to build Aragorn out of Fighter/Rogue combos. If so, what's the point in having a Ranger class? Therfore, a Ranger class needs to be different enough from a Fighter/Rogue to justify its existence as a base class. While part of me thinks this means it will have some arcane/divine abilities, I also have a hunch (backed by the Tor playtest report) that characters can do signature cool stuff from day 1...and the ranger didn't do anything arcane or divine. My guess is that delayed spell casting (i.e., getting 1st level spells at 9th level) is a thing of the past (further supported by the conclusion that spell-level = char level from Rodney's 25-th level spells secret.)</blockquote>

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