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Message: <blockquote data-quote="meltinbradley" data-source="post: 6241670" data-attributes="member: 80012">Shidaku-Sorry it came out like that. But I don't kill characters because I don't like them as much as it may have sounded like that.The PCs took a turn and decided to get help from old PC's and that's fine. Its all in game. The other PC that had a character with the vampire never liked the vampire and only adventured with the vampire because of his desire to redeem himself which he never did. This PC vampire use to dominate PC's in the party among other things so, I took him aside and said  "the other players aren't happy with you...etc." He originally wanted to go after the vampire lord template. I told him that if he tries for that, I doubt the PCs are going to be cool with that. I told him if he wants to pursue that, that's fine but have you ever thought about redemption. He liked the idea and went with it. I made it worth his while and agreed to many things he wanted if he could achieve it.now, back to now:They decided to bring him back for two reasons:1.) for information about the dream world2.) to achieve redemption (the other PC who adventured with him wants him to full fill that goal and return to the light)I am going to give him that chance again, a chance he missed SEVERAL times 3 years ago. I don't care if i'm a strict DM, but if you go after redemption several times and fail every time because you're acting a fool i'm not going to give you what you want after making numerous mistakes. The best he gets is a restful death. Im not going to give him what I promised him if hes failed multiple times.Its totally legit that if the vampire continues to play against the party which he will probably do, that the other PC will kill him and get the others to help him. That has nothing to do with me, or the other PC wanting him dead, it has to do with his actions. I doubt any of you have ever played with a player like this and if you have you probably would kick him out within a month. He loves playing though, and I know that other DMs and players would not play with him, so I keep him in the game and prep other PCs about him before they join our game because he pisses off people all the time. If he doesnt have me, he wont be able to game. Ive managed to play with my current group for over a year and its working better than I thought. Im happy that even though hes difficult to play with we have managed to work things out because he loves to play.I have no intention of killing him unless he does something stupid or willingly dies for whatever reason. If he survives the encounter then the vampire is loose upon the world. Regardless of what happens, hes going to play his current PC after the dream world which is a mage. I could totally use him as a NPC or just have him put the character away for another time. This PC is NOT a team player. I dont need to kill him because he will kill himself by betraying the PC's as usual, or by betraying an NPC as usual. He's constantly making new characters because of this. This is a opportunity for him to have ONE character out of 20 that the PCs can look back and say something positive about this players character.Shidaku, Im sorry the information i presented makes you feel that way about me. I would love for you to check out our group and see if you still feel the same way after playing with us. I would also be curious if you and your players could deal with this PC in YOUR group for a month and see if your DM would kill him for not liking him. Playing with the PC has mellowed me out immensely, and believe me, I want to kill his character everyday, but he wants to play, and as i said before, i dont kill PC's and always allow choices. Im open ended.Stormonu- now to your ideas, its funny, because the PCs are marked so they are constantly having dreams and being attacked. The vampire who has been out of the campaign for 3 years in real life and over 200 in game is not branded, so he doesnt get attacked. So thats all ready happening, but your twist is nice. I really like what you brought! I am going to make some changes so it makes sense for what im working with, but the general idea is real good. Thank you!MB</blockquote>

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