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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 2718041" data-attributes="member: 12332">Oddly, I think a Warlock would be about right for nerfing the snot out of a guy like this.Dispell at Will is very nice for repeatedly boinging a guy's flight and invis spells.See The Unseen lets him see the invisible PC without having to prep beforehand.  The Warlock can spot and toss down Walls to box the sorc in away from his friends.  Bust Devour Magic on the sorc again and again.  A few wands or potions on the 'lock can protect him from common spells, while Flee The Scene can let him keep out of the hands of melee characters while he tears up the caster.And I have to say, on the player end, I've "arranged" a few "tactical errors" for caster types in my own party who keep getting everybody else killed while they protect themselves.  Y'know:  "Oh, wow, I never expected that they'd do that ... sorry, dude."Before I play any games, I let everybody know that meta-game we're going to let the dead have viking funerals with their stuff with the understanding that I'll allow replacement PCs come in with full character wealth.  It just causes too much in the way of problems to do it otherwise ... then people who die come in with PCs a level back and it really presses upon the caster types to survive so they can benefit from the deaths of everybody else in the party.  Which, survival is good ... all of my characters have "Survival Kits" with potions of stuff like Pass Without Trace and Invis. to help escape no-win situations ... but a guy who knows that if everybody dies he's going to have 150,000 GP of sweet sweet loot to power up on ... he's going to arrange a few "tactical errors" of his own.Really, the folks that have the most trouble in my own games are often the "Me First!" arcane casters ... we get alot of High Hit Dice, Low CR Fiendish Creatures (add Fiendish to a few big animals and suddenly you've got SR way way out of proportion to the EL of the situation, rendering arcane casters pretty nerfed).  Clerics really mess up arcane folks as well ... Dispell Magic, Silence, and Spiritual Weapon.  After you've bombarded him with Dispells, if half a dozen acolytes pop Spiritual Weapons on him, he's going to have a bad bad day trying to get rid of them.  The wizard in my RttToEE game seemed to spend an awful lot of his time running back and forth screaming for healing while Spiritual Weapons whacked him in the face.--fje</blockquote>

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