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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RainOfSteel" data-source="post: 5611070" data-attributes="member: 24460">I, for one, have no issues with you taking the time to write some material for our consideration.A cleric traveling with a paladin.  What was the cleric's alignment?  Because if there was a "good" descriptor in there (which I am vaguely assuming since there was a paladin in the group), it's gone now as far as I am concerned.  This may make the cleric unable to serve any longer and lose all of his or her powers.  At a minimum, the action alone would certainly include penalties in lost spells or abilities pending an atonement.Also, if either served the same god or the same "side" of a pantheon, that cleric just lost her powers to the last.  As in the cleric is struck to his/her knees with a vision regarding the god's displeasure, and all divine abilities and spells are stripped out on the spot.  A quest and atonement (of substantial size and severity) would be required to get them back.  You do not attack a holy champion of your religion and not seriously suffer for it.Attacking from behind?  I also hope that cleric serves no god for which cowardice or underhandedness was an issue, because that would also bring some degree of divine retaliation.An event like this could easily show up in "signs and portents" read by oracles and seers.  Even if the two involved never discuss it with anyone else, it isn't like the higher powers (who would know) wouldn't tell their other servants, and so knowledge of what happened will spread.  If they didn't, the enemies of the higher powers certainly will in order to sow more discord and evil.  There is nothing like spreading around the story of a paladin getting pasted to splash dirt on the paladin's god.I don't know how the local religion is structured, or its powers, but paladins are generally considered heroes of the people, and are extra-holy at that.  Attacking a paladin from behind would generally be regarding as a serious matter by both civil and religious parties.  If the cleric's name and description became bandies about in general talk, he or she might find it difficult to obtain lodging or services, and could legitimately be seized on charges of heresy at a temple or castle.If the second cleric stays with the first, he or she could inherit the taint of the first cleric's transgressions in the eyes of the populace through association.When I get down further into your discussion, I see that you agreed that this was all in character.  Sorry, but you gave insufficient information to explain how that could occur.  Lawful Good usually does not mix well with Chaotic Neutral or the various Evil combinations.  If the cleric was neutral, well, it's more of judgment call depending on which side neutrality was currently supporting.  Since neutrality can support Evil and/or Chaos, paladins could easily have trouble with that if there were any suggestion or history of actually having done it.--------I'm not sure how attached you are to this game or the people involved, but:Sit the two down and explain that their positions are seriously disrupting your game.  Either they agree to retcon what happened and happily live with it, or stop the game.  Otherwise, you're pandering to babyishness.--------In our local group's games, it has been a long-standing tradition that any type of actual PvP activity (actual fighting) is banned and subject to instant unlimited GM retaliation.  While somewhat contrived, it works.  Actual fights never happen as a result, although some obnoxious types still like to go around saying, "My PC could kill your PC."  </eyes rolling></blockquote>

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