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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6357390" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>It does take a lot. The last time it happened went like this:</p><p></p><p>"Me: The figure shrouded in shifting shadows raises his hand and pronounces a word. A ray of shimmering blue lances out. Take 80 points of damage."</p><p></p><p>"PC: Oh crap, I'm going to die."</p><p></p><p>"Other PCs: Oh crap, that would have one shotted anyone else in the party."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been DMing for 30 years and I still don't know what to do with players that are always mouthing off at inappropriate times and generally not responding to the fiction of the scene. It's not just when in the presence of a scary bad guy failing to remember that this guy is evil, doesn't like them, and has 12 more levels than they do. It's not just when they are meeting with the king who is the most politically powerful authority figure within 400 miles, rules nearly half a million subjects, and with whom even other kings are diffident, and they start talking to him like they'd talk to a long acquaintance. (Seriously, guys, that's the way you'd talk when introduced to the Prime Minister of England, or the President of the United States. No honorific? No deference? No formality?). It's when they are speaking to a newly widowed young woman whose husband has been ripped apart in front of her eyes, and they start cracking jokes about it. </p><p></p><p>Even when I tell the players, "Anything you say at the table that isn't a question for the DM is IC.", I still get crap where the players insult NPCs or PCs and then go, "Oh, that was meant to be OOC.", but only after there are consequences that they'd rather not have. If the consequences are amusing, they never complain about the remarks being taken IC.</p><p></p><p>I'd be ok if this was appropriate to the character, and the player had established that he was playing an Axel Foley or John McClain style wiseguy... and the player was actually capable of pulling that off. I could at least have the villain respond to actual banter. But generally, the players aren't actually bantering with the villain. They are playing off each other in a space outside the fiction, or lost in some private world laughing at their own joke. I could live with that to a certain extent, but if you tolerate it, pretty soon it becomes the whole of the game. You stop playing an RPG and just spend 4 hours goofing off around the table. If that happens, for long, people get bored and drift out.</p><p></p><p>Fortunately, it seems to come and go with most groups. Sometimes they are in to it. Sometimes they aren't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6357390, member: 4937"] It does take a lot. The last time it happened went like this: "Me: The figure shrouded in shifting shadows raises his hand and pronounces a word. A ray of shimmering blue lances out. Take 80 points of damage." "PC: Oh crap, I'm going to die." "Other PCs: Oh crap, that would have one shotted anyone else in the party." I've been DMing for 30 years and I still don't know what to do with players that are always mouthing off at inappropriate times and generally not responding to the fiction of the scene. It's not just when in the presence of a scary bad guy failing to remember that this guy is evil, doesn't like them, and has 12 more levels than they do. It's not just when they are meeting with the king who is the most politically powerful authority figure within 400 miles, rules nearly half a million subjects, and with whom even other kings are diffident, and they start talking to him like they'd talk to a long acquaintance. (Seriously, guys, that's the way you'd talk when introduced to the Prime Minister of England, or the President of the United States. No honorific? No deference? No formality?). It's when they are speaking to a newly widowed young woman whose husband has been ripped apart in front of her eyes, and they start cracking jokes about it. Even when I tell the players, "Anything you say at the table that isn't a question for the DM is IC.", I still get crap where the players insult NPCs or PCs and then go, "Oh, that was meant to be OOC.", but only after there are consequences that they'd rather not have. If the consequences are amusing, they never complain about the remarks being taken IC. I'd be ok if this was appropriate to the character, and the player had established that he was playing an Axel Foley or John McClain style wiseguy... and the player was actually capable of pulling that off. I could at least have the villain respond to actual banter. But generally, the players aren't actually bantering with the villain. They are playing off each other in a space outside the fiction, or lost in some private world laughing at their own joke. I could live with that to a certain extent, but if you tolerate it, pretty soon it becomes the whole of the game. You stop playing an RPG and just spend 4 hours goofing off around the table. If that happens, for long, people get bored and drift out. Fortunately, it seems to come and go with most groups. Sometimes they are in to it. Sometimes they aren't. [/QUOTE]
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