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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greylock" data-source="post: 3878335" data-attributes="member: 19056">Speaking of party expectations and players expectations, and expanding my list beyond the ones I've listed: A few characters ago, I played a Bard, but he wasn't your typical lute strumming Bard. He was very much an AD&D type Skald, who was intentionally designed to be a very effective front line fighter. His Bardic talent was in story telling and rote memorization of sagas. His reason for adventuring was that it was his keenest desire to become an integral part of his people's tales, instead of simply a teller of tales. His Bardic abilities came into play in the taverns and inns, and in his diplomatic skills with NPCs. In battle, he meant to be on the front line. And, once again, I had a passel of players who came to second guess my every move. They thought I was intentionally sabotaging the party by not using my character's buffing abilities like a machine whenever they expected it. Before that group  fell apart, and it did fall apart, they got into this annoying habit of openly rolling their eyes, and "reminding" me, "gently", whenever they thought my guy should be standing back and buffing. Never mind the fact that my character was the best pure melee combat oriented guy in a party with a Monk, a Wizard, and two range weapons focused types. So, there you have my amended list of un-fun characters. That Bard was designed to be a blast to play, and he was at first. Conceived after Herger the Joyous from the 13th Warrior, he certainly was a great character until the other players decided I was "playing him wrong". It will be a cold day in heck before I play a Bard again, but I likely will play a Cleric again in the future. And he WILL abide by my character conception, and not player expectations.</blockquote>

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