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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 3878492" data-attributes="member: 8439">Let me just say that my base rules that I brought to bear on the cleric example were not made for clerics but for numerous of those 1000s of other examples. Part of the problem I think is that I'm just looking at a theoretical cleric behavior (never seen it myself) and judging it by my basic rules for characters, but things are being intepreted against the backdrop of a totally different argument about whether clerics should spend every in combat action healing. (A subject that I've seen amicably worked out in numerous ways, so I don't have a visceral understanding of the anger involved.)For a more general idea of my position, my ranting post &quot;In praise of Metagaming&quot; from a while back might be more useful, but I'm too lazy this morning to look for and link it.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> The cleric specific part of this thread was the idea of aiding another party member as if it was a personal favor to that party member. The whole &quot;if they ask nicely&quot; thing was not one of the&nbsp; 101 ways of screwing with the group in the name of &quot;playing my character&quot; I am familiar with, so I was curious if it was a cleric thing or had been seen elsewhere.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 3878492, member: 8439"] Let me just say that my base rules that I brought to bear on the cleric example were not made for clerics but for numerous of those 1000s of other examples. Part of the problem I think is that I'm just looking at a theoretical cleric behavior (never seen it myself) and judging it by my basic rules for characters, but things are being intepreted against the backdrop of a totally different argument about whether clerics should spend every in combat action healing. (A subject that I've seen amicably worked out in numerous ways, so I don't have a visceral understanding of the anger involved.) For a more general idea of my position, my ranting post "In praise of Metagaming" from a while back might be more useful, but I'm too lazy this morning to look for and link it. ;) The cleric specific part of this thread was the idea of aiding another party member as if it was a personal favor to that party member. The whole "if they ask nicely" thing was not one of the 101 ways of screwing with the group in the name of "playing my character" I am familiar with, so I was curious if it was a cleric thing or had been seen elsewhere. [/QUOTE]

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