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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4431209" data-attributes="member: 35909">No, it's not completely wrong.&nbsp; At the very least, save DC is not attached to cost all.&nbsp; As for the DC of a grease scroll, how do you think it's determined?&nbsp; It is not DC 11, it is DC of 10 +level +casting stat mod, which just happens to be a total of 11.&nbsp; Because DC doesn't factor into the price, setting it is arbitrary, so WotC used the minimum required.&nbsp; It's very reasonable.&nbsp; Until the players make their own scrolls.&nbsp; Then it becomes patently ridiculous that the wizard can't use his full int score for the item.&nbsp; Not even like caster level, where he can choose to use more than the minimum for a cost, but he doesn't even have the option, he has to cut back.Yes, I already knew all of this.&nbsp; Perhaps that's why I&nbsp; originally talked about what does and doesn't affect the cost of a scroll.&nbsp; *eyeroll*No, staves work differently.&nbsp; A staff lets the user use his casting stat, which is entirely different than letting the creator use his casting stat.&nbsp; Jack the Wizard has int 24 and makes a staff of disintigrate, which Jim the Rogue with int 16 then uses via UMD.&nbsp; The DC of the spell will be 19, not the full 23 Jack could have given it, if you assume the given DCs are set in stone, and not just a function of assuming meeting the bare minimum.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4431209, member: 35909"] No, it's not completely wrong. At the very least, save DC is not attached to cost all. As for the DC of a grease scroll, how do you think it's determined? It is not DC 11, it is DC of 10 +level +casting stat mod, which just happens to be a total of 11. Because DC doesn't factor into the price, setting it is arbitrary, so WotC used the minimum required. It's very reasonable. Until the players make their own scrolls. Then it becomes patently ridiculous that the wizard can't use his full int score for the item. Not even like caster level, where he can choose to use more than the minimum for a cost, but he doesn't even have the option, he has to cut back. Yes, I already knew all of this. Perhaps that's why I originally talked about what does and doesn't affect the cost of a scroll. *eyeroll* No, staves work differently. A staff lets the user use his casting stat, which is entirely different than letting the creator use his casting stat. Jack the Wizard has int 24 and makes a staff of disintigrate, which Jim the Rogue with int 16 then uses via UMD. The DC of the spell will be 19, not the full 23 Jack could have given it, if you assume the given DCs are set in stone, and not just a function of assuming meeting the bare minimum. [/QUOTE]

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