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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 57049" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>I love both PDF and Print products, they are actully not mutally exclusive as some seem to think. With PDF I can actually order and read a product with only a few minutes between the actions, the same can't be said for print produts (yet, beam me up scotty ;-). As a DM that doesn't ever run an adventure straight from the book, it also allows me to customize game material (copy paste). On the flipside, making a printed version of a PDF that equals the version that is Printed is a lot of work, can be expensive, and sometimes is plain impossible (think PHB, DMG, MM, etc.). Printed products are often far simpler to obtain (wait a few months, go to game-store, and spend a few bucks).</p><p></p><p><strong>Davelozzi:</strong></p><p>1.) BoEMII is $7 and contains 64 pages and should be about $12.95 (guess) for the printed version.</p><p>2.) I don't mind it if someone doesn't like something, everyone's entitled to his/her opinion. But please be quiet if you do not know what your talking about (no offense). Monte did not include a readme file for nothing, it clearly indicates that you should print BoEMII (or any pdf for tht matter) in batches, otherwise the big spooling file that the printing action will generate will slow your computer down to no end. And if i remember correctly, it also mentioned that you might want to print in greys only to spare your expensive color cardridge. Monte also starts to explain how to remove the headers and images, but he seems to forget that one needs the full version of Acrobat for that (a rather expensive product).</p><p>3.) Hearing about the washed out an blueisch look of your prints i think that your color cardridge is almost empty (just wait for the quality of the prints when it's empty ;-).</p><p>4.) This seems a clear case of RTFM (Read The Fncking Manual), if you had read the readme file this could have aleviated your annoyances. And your giving the PDF the blame because YOU don't know how your printer works (or when the color cradrige is empty).</p><p></p><p><strong>TalonComics:</strong></p><p>1.) It seems that your figure is not really correct, if you base it only on gamers that visit your shop. A lot of gamers online do'n't visit shops anymore, but order online (someone made a Homer ;-). From a recent study (i haven't got a clue how accurate those are) it became clear that 50% of america is online, in 'civilized' europe, that percentage is probably a little higher. I also think that gamers are from the part of society that is a bit wealthier than the rest, thus even further raising the score. But that doesn't indicate that many of those want to order digital products.</p><p>2.) Of course it's easier to post such PDFs to Warez sites, but that doesn't stop Printed books being posted on Warez sites. In the first instance such books are far larger than the printed books (dozens of MBs for large books), that is until someone finishes an OCR of the file. This isn't something you probably want to hear, but 90% of the books you sell are out there on the Web, the most popular already being OCRed...</p><p>3.) Printed books are probably still selling a lot better than PDF versions of such books, but that's easy, so did CDs when they when first introduced. Books have a long history (hundreds of years), one can't expect people to give that up overnight. I also think that the right tools aren't available yet to make PDFs able to compete with Printed books (they are comming though). Also the startup cost for a PDF product is far lower than for a Printed product (ask any publisher), no problems with distribution (if you are computer literate that is), and profit from the sale of a single pdf unit is far higher than from a printed unit.</p><p>4.) I'm also a retailer (a VERY small one at that) and am also not able to sell any PDFs at the moment. That doesn't stop me from seeing the plusses of PDF products, i think that the people that are gained through the use of PDFs outweighs the people lost through PDFs (hope that that makes sense)...</p><p></p><p>One complaint though, why do most pdf publishes seem to forget that there's a world beyond America? Down here in europe, we use A4 for standard paper format instead of Letter!</p><p>A4 (210mm*297mm)</p><p>Letter (215.9mm*279.4mm)</p><p>As one can see Letter sized do not really fit that well on an A4 (missing 6mm). The format i use for Intrnational PDFs is Custom (210mm*279.4mm), when printed this should fit both on A4 and Letter without a problem.</p><p></p><p>I just invested (heavily) in my very first Laptop (haven't received it yet), i can understand that many students can't afford a Laptop. But these days many families have computers at home, thus having your book collection on a (couple) of CD(s) might save your back. You can burn CDs at a lot of location for very little cash, or can even buy a CDburner (not that expensive anymore).</p><p>I for example am currently at work (standby shift) and am preparing my next DM session. I love the ability to just search my Forgotten Realms database (all the FR products), copy and paste all the pieces i will use, etc...</p><p></p><p>Mr.C</p><p><em>the pdf junkie</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 57049, member: 725"] I love both PDF and Print products, they are actully not mutally exclusive as some seem to think. With PDF I can actually order and read a product with only a few minutes between the actions, the same can't be said for print produts (yet, beam me up scotty ;-). As a DM that doesn't ever run an adventure straight from the book, it also allows me to customize game material (copy paste). On the flipside, making a printed version of a PDF that equals the version that is Printed is a lot of work, can be expensive, and sometimes is plain impossible (think PHB, DMG, MM, etc.). Printed products are often far simpler to obtain (wait a few months, go to game-store, and spend a few bucks). [b]Davelozzi:[/b] 1.) BoEMII is $7 and contains 64 pages and should be about $12.95 (guess) for the printed version. 2.) I don't mind it if someone doesn't like something, everyone's entitled to his/her opinion. But please be quiet if you do not know what your talking about (no offense). Monte did not include a readme file for nothing, it clearly indicates that you should print BoEMII (or any pdf for tht matter) in batches, otherwise the big spooling file that the printing action will generate will slow your computer down to no end. And if i remember correctly, it also mentioned that you might want to print in greys only to spare your expensive color cardridge. Monte also starts to explain how to remove the headers and images, but he seems to forget that one needs the full version of Acrobat for that (a rather expensive product). 3.) Hearing about the washed out an blueisch look of your prints i think that your color cardridge is almost empty (just wait for the quality of the prints when it's empty ;-). 4.) This seems a clear case of RTFM (Read The Fncking Manual), if you had read the readme file this could have aleviated your annoyances. And your giving the PDF the blame because YOU don't know how your printer works (or when the color cradrige is empty). [b]TalonComics:[/b] 1.) It seems that your figure is not really correct, if you base it only on gamers that visit your shop. A lot of gamers online do'n't visit shops anymore, but order online (someone made a Homer ;-). From a recent study (i haven't got a clue how accurate those are) it became clear that 50% of america is online, in 'civilized' europe, that percentage is probably a little higher. I also think that gamers are from the part of society that is a bit wealthier than the rest, thus even further raising the score. But that doesn't indicate that many of those want to order digital products. 2.) Of course it's easier to post such PDFs to Warez sites, but that doesn't stop Printed books being posted on Warez sites. In the first instance such books are far larger than the printed books (dozens of MBs for large books), that is until someone finishes an OCR of the file. This isn't something you probably want to hear, but 90% of the books you sell are out there on the Web, the most popular already being OCRed... 3.) Printed books are probably still selling a lot better than PDF versions of such books, but that's easy, so did CDs when they when first introduced. Books have a long history (hundreds of years), one can't expect people to give that up overnight. I also think that the right tools aren't available yet to make PDFs able to compete with Printed books (they are comming though). Also the startup cost for a PDF product is far lower than for a Printed product (ask any publisher), no problems with distribution (if you are computer literate that is), and profit from the sale of a single pdf unit is far higher than from a printed unit. 4.) I'm also a retailer (a VERY small one at that) and am also not able to sell any PDFs at the moment. That doesn't stop me from seeing the plusses of PDF products, i think that the people that are gained through the use of PDFs outweighs the people lost through PDFs (hope that that makes sense)... One complaint though, why do most pdf publishes seem to forget that there's a world beyond America? Down here in europe, we use A4 for standard paper format instead of Letter! A4 (210mm*297mm) Letter (215.9mm*279.4mm) As one can see Letter sized do not really fit that well on an A4 (missing 6mm). The format i use for Intrnational PDFs is Custom (210mm*279.4mm), when printed this should fit both on A4 and Letter without a problem. I just invested (heavily) in my very first Laptop (haven't received it yet), i can understand that many students can't afford a Laptop. But these days many families have computers at home, thus having your book collection on a (couple) of CD(s) might save your back. You can burn CDs at a lot of location for very little cash, or can even buy a CDburner (not that expensive anymore). I for example am currently at work (standby shift) and am preparing my next DM session. I love the ability to just search my Forgotten Realms database (all the FR products), copy and paste all the pieces i will use, etc... Mr.C [i]the pdf junkie[/i] [/QUOTE]
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