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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8531168" data-attributes="member: 6915329">I'm not talking about administrators. I'm talking about ranking members. Also, maybe this is one of those things where, in a fantasy world, things would be look very different rather than be based on a real-world, non-magical version. Like how castles in a world with dragons and flying mounts should look different than in the real world.Perhaps, in a world with divine magic, the high-ranked priests don't hang around in the temple. Perhaps the spell-less people who do all the day-to-day minutia never get a high rank no matter how much they might deserve it. Or perhaps there's multiple branches of a church, with one branch being divine and the other being administrative.Or they could become allies, not minions or servants.That... really depends on the religion in question. Considering that there are gods of wealth, power, intrigue, murder, etc., in some settings.That's literally what I said before.But for a religion, well, what does the god or religion say about allying with or obeying non-divine rulers? The problem is that very few, if any, of D&D religions have actually gone into any aspects that don't immediately affect the PCs. Take a look at the Forgotten Realms gods. Now, admittedly, I'm not hugely into the Realms so I could be wrong on this, but. I'd imagine churches dedicated to gods like Helm, Waukeen, Tyr, Eldath, Gond, Sune, or Llira might very well have rules saying "follow secular laws and obey secular leaders" with caveats if the secular leader is being evil. Why? Because either their gods support the secular leaders, get some benefit out of having them around, or have portfolios that have nothing to do with politics whatsoever.I at no point have ever said that. My original post in this thread was pointing out that the nobility (whom the peasants are presumably going to be revolting against) would likely have access to a spellcaster who is more powerful than they are. You immediately jumped on that, saying it turned the fiction "far too much into the odd realm of superhero fantasy. " And then got upset when I brought up the idea of court mages and religious advisers to the nobility by... actually, by ignoring that idea entirely by talking about how very few spellcasters there would be. If anything, you are saying that I (and others) are building our worlds wrong because having court mages is "superhero fantasy." Honestly, if there are so very few spellcasters, then logically they'd be more powerful because there would be fewer people capable of opposing them.</blockquote>

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