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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thondor" data-source="post: 2656331" data-attributes="member: 31955">Sure the 2d8 can happen at 7th level against nat. armor (along with the -3 to natural armor,yes?) I only put it in later because I like giving casters something to look forward to. I think your right though, it would come in to late to be very good. The only method I used is that the Nat. armour damage goes up every 2 caster levels and the damage shouldn't increase at the same time with that.So you put it up at 7th and I put it up at 9th. Go with 7th. Cap good. 12th level -6 Nat. Armor reduction and 2d8 damage. Sounds like a powerful but balanced 2ndlevel spell. CoolSorry, I'm not sure I follow you.To me the spell is best applied to those with natural armor which is why I set it up as I did. That your always having one less effect if your using it on someone without NASo:3rd level against NA: -1NA + 1d83rd level against normal: just 1d84th level against Na: -2 NA +1d84th againts normal:   2d8  (that's a cost of -2 Na for 1d8 seems reasonable to me)6th level against Na: -3 NA +1d86th againts normal:   2d8here comes the change because of the new 3d8 at 7th I'd suggest putting in the staggered/shock/whatever effect here7th level against Na: -3 NA +2d87th againts normal:   2d8       + "shock" (how do you want the save for this to work)8th level against Na: -4 NA +2d88th againts normal:   3d8       + "shock"  (so that's 2d8 for the 2d8 done against those with NA, 1d8damn this is getting confusing there's got to b an easy way to break this downWhen this spell  is used against those without natural armor it does the same #of d8 damage as the narural armor damage -1. Instead of gaining the extra d8 at 7th level  the caster inflicts shock ex. 12th level would do -6 NA and 2d8 damage, 12th would do 5d8 + shock.Only problem with that is the 5d8 is one dice higher then I would want to give this spell.Hopefully the above makes some sense to you.</blockquote>

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