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<blockquote data-quote="howandwhy99" data-source="post: 3767866" data-attributes="member: 3192">It's fundamentally going to come down to what Per Encounter means.&nbsp; In older versions of the game, characters had an encounter round limitation of Fatigue.&nbsp; (iirc) 3 attacks in a row, 5 double moves in a row, or 4 of any combination meant a -1 penalty. This was cumulative per Chainmail rules.&nbsp; 1 round of rest cleared this penalty no matter the total.IMO, there are Per Encounter rules that make sense in the game world and there are some which do not.1. A dragon breathes fire every 1d4 rounds.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; He can't manage to build up the snot load I guess?&nbsp; As a DM, I've got my own reasons for if the Players ever explore that one, but it isn't a big deal. My thinking is, many Maneuvers will exist along the same design strategy.&nbsp; Some may be dependent on each other: like some maneuvers can only be taken when in certain stances and what not, but each has their own rationale.&nbsp; That's one of the big ones for me.&nbsp; An In-Game reason on why these features operate as they do.&nbsp; If they can keep to that, I welcome their inclusion even if they cannot be removed.On another point, with a possible bad example, is:2. Wizards which can cast Fireball every 1d4 rounds.&nbsp; Now we're talking about PCs, not NPCs.&nbsp; I can have the dragon fire bomb towns all day long.&nbsp; That's a good thing.&nbsp; But for a wizard to have that ability, and literally it is all day long as encounters have no preset limit, the wizard is effectively on par with a dragon.&nbsp; For some folks this won't be a problem at all.&nbsp; Going supernova whenever, wherever, without care of needing to conserve one's strength is just plain cool.&nbsp; But it also removes one of the biggest, longest-lasting elements of D&amp;D: that it is a strategy game.&nbsp; With Per Day abilities, the Players must plan ahead and make decisions knowing they can't just do whatever they please and always be prepared for ambushes, or getting back out of the dungeon, or crossing wild overlands, or, really, anything.&nbsp; They are not deciding based on resources, if Per Day resources are removed.&nbsp; If they can fight anywhere without resource loss, strategy is greatly diminished.&nbsp; It isn't just about who you fight and with what cool power each round.&nbsp; It was how intelligently you could use those abilities to win the battle before it even begun.&nbsp; Listening to the recent podcast, it sounds like the word &quot;Fun&quot; may be equivalent to &quot;the importance one has in each round of combat&quot;.&nbsp; And to be fun, a combat significant action must be taken.&nbsp; Is this the end of the Rogue guarding the exit?&nbsp; It may be so.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="howandwhy99, post: 3767866, member: 3192"] It's fundamentally going to come down to what Per Encounter means. In older versions of the game, characters had an encounter round limitation of Fatigue. (iirc) 3 attacks in a row, 5 double moves in a row, or 4 of any combination meant a -1 penalty. This was cumulative per Chainmail rules. 1 round of rest cleared this penalty no matter the total. IMO, there are Per Encounter rules that make sense in the game world and there are some which do not. 1. A dragon breathes fire every 1d4 rounds. Why? He can't manage to build up the snot load I guess? As a DM, I've got my own reasons for if the Players ever explore that one, but it isn't a big deal. My thinking is, many Maneuvers will exist along the same design strategy. Some may be dependent on each other: like some maneuvers can only be taken when in certain stances and what not, but each has their own rationale. That's one of the big ones for me. An In-Game reason on why these features operate as they do. If they can keep to that, I welcome their inclusion even if they cannot be removed. On another point, with a possible bad example, is: 2. Wizards which can cast Fireball every 1d4 rounds. Now we're talking about PCs, not NPCs. I can have the dragon fire bomb towns all day long. That's a good thing. But for a wizard to have that ability, and literally it is all day long as encounters have no preset limit, the wizard is effectively on par with a dragon. For some folks this won't be a problem at all. Going supernova whenever, wherever, without care of needing to conserve one's strength is just plain cool. But it also removes one of the biggest, longest-lasting elements of D&D: that it is a strategy game. With Per Day abilities, the Players must plan ahead and make decisions knowing they can't just do whatever they please and always be prepared for ambushes, or getting back out of the dungeon, or crossing wild overlands, or, really, anything. They are not deciding based on resources, if Per Day resources are removed. If they can fight anywhere without resource loss, strategy is greatly diminished. It isn't just about who you fight and with what cool power each round. It was how intelligently you could use those abilities to win the battle before it even begun. Listening to the recent podcast, it sounds like the word "Fun" may be equivalent to "the importance one has in each round of combat". And to be fun, a combat significant action must be taken. Is this the end of the Rogue guarding the exit? It may be so. [/QUOTE]

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