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<blockquote data-quote="howandwhy99" data-source="post: 3821976" data-attributes="member: 3192">Yeah, mechanical illusionism is just a term I coined in this thread.&nbsp; I've seen this sort of thing in games, but maybe there's something better?&nbsp; Not to mention the pseudo-simulation within character building mechanics as if characters are better representations with all the layers upon layers of interlaced attributes.&nbsp; d20 does this to such a degree, altering one's level requires a seismic shift for the stats.&nbsp; I'm glad 4th edition is moving back to pre-d20 design for this. (for monsters at least).I think you're pretty spot on here.&nbsp; And that the current market doesn't want to play imagination-based possibilities, but rather rule based possibilities does sound accurate.&nbsp; Unfortunately, I think that results in very little advantage over MMORPGs.&nbsp; But I admit my experience is limited there.Good point.&nbsp; I'm make sure I refer to it as Character driven then.&nbsp; To me, it's just was roleplaying used to always be until 2nd edition began writing plots prior to play.So me having to walk to the supermarket and not being able to teleport forces me to read God's mind?&nbsp; As an exploration game, it mimics the real world quite well without giving God-mode to the players.&nbsp; God-mode was given to one player, made judge, so the others could actually play.&nbsp; Giving them all that role puts us back in the make believe game where everyone gets to argue out who gets to do what.&nbsp; Rules for that are essential to be known and exploration, surprise, etc. are diminished.I understand that 2e and other non-simulationist games changed the way RPGs were played before d20 came out, but the high water mark (and all those old time players) are still accessible under the style I'm espousing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="howandwhy99, post: 3821976, member: 3192"] Yeah, mechanical illusionism is just a term I coined in this thread. I've seen this sort of thing in games, but maybe there's something better? Not to mention the pseudo-simulation within character building mechanics as if characters are better representations with all the layers upon layers of interlaced attributes. d20 does this to such a degree, altering one's level requires a seismic shift for the stats. I'm glad 4th edition is moving back to pre-d20 design for this. (for monsters at least). I think you're pretty spot on here. And that the current market doesn't want to play imagination-based possibilities, but rather rule based possibilities does sound accurate. Unfortunately, I think that results in very little advantage over MMORPGs. But I admit my experience is limited there. Good point. I'm make sure I refer to it as Character driven then. To me, it's just was roleplaying used to always be until 2nd edition began writing plots prior to play. So me having to walk to the supermarket and not being able to teleport forces me to read God's mind? As an exploration game, it mimics the real world quite well without giving God-mode to the players. God-mode was given to one player, made judge, so the others could actually play. Giving them all that role puts us back in the make believe game where everyone gets to argue out who gets to do what. Rules for that are essential to be known and exploration, surprise, etc. are diminished. I understand that 2e and other non-simulationist games changed the way RPGs were played before d20 came out, but the high water mark (and all those old time players) are still accessible under the style I'm espousing. [/QUOTE]

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