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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3865612" data-attributes="member: 30001">What fantasy is that?&nbsp; Does any have a clear idea what Gandalf's resource issues were in LotR?&nbsp; Was it fatiguing to cast spells?&nbsp; Why did he use lightning against the Ringwraiths on Weathertop and not use it in Moria?&nbsp; I guess he was hoping Frodo would die so he could get his magic items.&nbsp; Can you even begin to compare a ruleset that must survive interaction/manipulation by players with a novel?&nbsp; I can't show up to Tolkien's game session and say &quot;hey, I have Gandalf lightning bolt the watcher in the water, what happens?&quot;&nbsp; The premise that fantasy novel/literature magic is capable of being simulated, IMO is highly dubious.&nbsp; I need more information.&nbsp; AFAICT people say this sort of thing on the board without example.&nbsp; Otherwise it just seems to me like the &quot;fantasy magic&quot; being talked about here is a mostly circular concept, as in &quot;fantasy magic is magic of the type that I imagine&quot;. Also, assuming that a lack of discussion of limits of fantasy magic means there are no limits in the author's mind?&nbsp; That's like assuming that if the author doesn't describe the character's eating 3 meals/day, that the author assumes they never do.&nbsp; All of the nuts and bolts necessary to run a game don't make for good narrative, so IMO that needs to be considered as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3865612, member: 30001"] What fantasy is that? Does any have a clear idea what Gandalf's resource issues were in LotR? Was it fatiguing to cast spells? Why did he use lightning against the Ringwraiths on Weathertop and not use it in Moria? I guess he was hoping Frodo would die so he could get his magic items. Can you even begin to compare a ruleset that must survive interaction/manipulation by players with a novel? I can't show up to Tolkien's game session and say "hey, I have Gandalf lightning bolt the watcher in the water, what happens?" The premise that fantasy novel/literature magic is capable of being simulated, IMO is highly dubious. I need more information. AFAICT people say this sort of thing on the board without example. Otherwise it just seems to me like the "fantasy magic" being talked about here is a mostly circular concept, as in "fantasy magic is magic of the type that I imagine". Also, assuming that a lack of discussion of limits of fantasy magic means there are no limits in the author's mind? That's like assuming that if the author doesn't describe the character's eating 3 meals/day, that the author assumes they never do. All of the nuts and bolts necessary to run a game don't make for good narrative, so IMO that needs to be considered as well. [/QUOTE]

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