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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Warrior147" data-source="post: 4817577" data-attributes="member: 84027">An advantaged 1st level cleric with a Wisdom of 18 and a +2 racial bonus would have a Wisdom modifier of +5. Since Perception is not on the cleric's class skills list, a +5 bonus is the maximum bonus a 1st level cleric could have is +5 (not including any racial skill bonuses).A 1st level rouge who wants to be good at Perception should place his 8 in Strength, Constitution, Charisma, or Intelligence. A high Intelligence is useless because the rogue already gains the initiative, AC, and reflex bonus from Dexterity. Rogues are not defenders, and don't benefit from many hit points, so Constitution is unnecessary. A rouge should have a high Strength, or Charisma, but only needs one. Using the standard 18, 14, 11, 10, 10, 8 method, a rogue should place his 11 in Wisdom, granting him a +0 bonus. However, training in Perception gives him a +5 bonus.The 1st level cleric and rogue now both have +5 Perception bonuses. If the rogue plays a race with a +2 Wisdom bonus, he would have a Wisdom modifier of +1, increasing his Perception bonus to +6, higher than a 1st level cleric could hope to achieve. A cleric could, of course, expend a feat on skill training Perception, increasing his bonus to +10 but is not likely to do so, since Perception is not a cleric's specialisation. The rogue, on the other hand, should take Skill Focus, Perception, as his 1st level feat, granting him a +3 Perception bonus, and increasing his Perception bonus to +9.An extremely Perception focused human cleric, could, take Skill Training, Perception, and Skill Focus, Perception, increasing his Perception bonus to +13, out of reach of a combat effective rogue. However, most clerics would prefer to improve their healing abilities, or take Skill Focus, Heal, or Skill Focus, Religion, instead.Adding racial +2 Perception bonuses, a desperate cleric would have a Perception bonus of +15 and the rogue would have a Perception bonus of +11. Most rogues, though, have a higher Perception bonus than stereotype clerics.</blockquote>

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