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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 6377661" data-attributes="member: 20323">Investigation DC 10. Automatic for rangers with favored enemy (goblins), PCs who've fought a lot of goblins in their day, PCs with a goblin in the party (who they can get an honest answer out of), or a PC with artisan tool proficiency covering arrowcraft.Medicine DC 10. Investigation DC 10 might provide clues based on what I know of forensics, but I would not come out and say "one day ago", rather I'd say "rigor mortis has set in, the wounds are fresh, there are flies by no larvae and no sign of animals feeding on the carcasses."Perception is about detecting the presence or source of something.Investigation is about examining something you're already aware of and deducing conclusions from known facts.A good example that gets into the grey areas is eavesdropping. The rogue comes to a door and listens to it. Clearly this is Perception to detect presence of creatures. Lets say the DM reports goblin voices. The PC happens to speak goblin, and so the DM shares a few overheard words "...nasty dwarves... Thodgrim... slaves... the shaman." The rogue player wants to listen further to get a better picture if what they're talking about, asking what check they can make. Perception or Investigation?In this case I'd be tempted to go with neither. The rogue heard all they could thru the thick wooden door. Nothing has changed in the scenario so I don't see why another check would gain anything. However, lets say that the rogue just wants to keep listening, then no check is needed, I just keep given them broken bits of goblin dialogue. Lets say the rogue wants to pinpoint (as accurately as possible) the location of the goblins; that's Perception for sure and could either be based on the previous check or a new one, depending on the scenario. Lets say the rogue wanted to deduce what some of the missing words were to figure out the gist of what the goblins were talking about; that's Investigation for sure.</blockquote>

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