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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 8206041" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>It's really not about a planned path. It's just a tool for adjudicating failure in ways that don't create other problems. It's particularly useful in some situations, but not all situations. Take for instance the DM's call for a check revealing something about a situation simply because there's a check. The player fails the roll, but knows that by virtue of there having been a roll, something is hidden in the scene or the like. Some DMs will look at this situation and either insist that the player "stop metagaming!" or use a secret roll or phantom rolls to throw players off. If the DM narrates progress combined with a setback instead, none of this is necessary because the character finds the thing, but some kind of setback occurs as well. No need for browbeating players about "metagaming" or making secret or phantom rolls at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 8206041, member: 97077"] It's really not about a planned path. It's just a tool for adjudicating failure in ways that don't create other problems. It's particularly useful in some situations, but not all situations. Take for instance the DM's call for a check revealing something about a situation simply because there's a check. The player fails the roll, but knows that by virtue of there having been a roll, something is hidden in the scene or the like. Some DMs will look at this situation and either insist that the player "stop metagaming!" or use a secret roll or phantom rolls to throw players off. If the DM narrates progress combined with a setback instead, none of this is necessary because the character finds the thing, but some kind of setback occurs as well. No need for browbeating players about "metagaming" or making secret or phantom rolls at all. [/QUOTE]
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