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<blockquote data-quote="Imaculata" data-source="post: 7053809" data-attributes="member: 6801286">My two cents:Perception can be used to detect the signs of a trap (for example, burn marks), or the DM may rule that the clue to the trap are already picked up by passive perception. If you just want to focus on the resolution, and not on gotcha mechanics, you can just give your players some clues to the trap without a check. I tend to lean towards less checks, not more. But in the case of a tripwire, maybe the players are only given the clue of a metal dart stuck in a wall, but they won't see the tripwire unless they succeed at a perception check. So you can do both!Investigation I think should only be used when the players ask a question about the trap. This could be a search action (Can I find something in the wall that could have caused this burn mark?), or a logical deduction (Can I determine from what direction the source of the burn marks came?), or knowledge (Can I determine what this black dust is on the ground?).I think each trap description should indeed list both a perception and investigation check. It is up to the DM which one applies, in relation to what the players want to do. I think the books should be a bit more consistent, and include DC's for both.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaculata, post: 7053809, member: 6801286"] My two cents: [B]Perception[/B] can be used to detect the signs of a trap (for example, burn marks), or the DM may rule that the clue to the trap are already picked up by passive perception. If you just want to focus on the resolution, and not on gotcha mechanics, you can just give your players some clues to the trap without a check. I tend to lean towards less checks, not more. But in the case of a tripwire, maybe the players are only given the clue of a metal dart stuck in a wall, but they won't see the tripwire unless they succeed at a perception check. So you can do both! [B]Investigation[/B] I think should only be used when the players ask a question about the trap. This could be a search action (Can I find something in the wall that could have caused this burn mark?), or a logical deduction (Can I determine from what direction the source of the burn marks came?), or knowledge (Can I determine what this black dust is on the ground?). I think each trap description should indeed list both a perception and investigation check. It is up to the DM which one applies, in relation to what the players want to do. I think the books should be a bit more consistent, and include DC's for both. [/QUOTE]

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