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<blockquote data-quote="Fralex" data-source="post: 6570031" data-attributes="member: 6785902"><p>Yeah, the difference between Perception and Investigation is kinda confusing. If it helps, keep in mind that animals can have a very good Perception bonus but rarely are good at Investigation. That's because Perception is more about how good your senses are; it makes you <em>aware</em> of things. Investigation is about how well you process what you perceive; it makes you <em>recognize</em> things. Investigation has intent. You always know what you're trying to find.</p><p></p><p>The problem I have with it is the concept of just using "investigation" on something is really nebulous. All the other Intelligence skills are based around knowledge about a particular topic. What sort of knowledge does Investigation use? The knowledge of... what clues mean? ...how to find clues? These all seem like things that would be better-suited to a specific knowledge check. I'd rather replace it with another one of those, maybe 3.5e's Architecture & Engineering check. Then you could break it down like this:</p><p>Arcana: Finding magical lore, identifying a magical device or effect based on clues</p><p>Architecture & Engineering: Finding hidden doors, identifying man-made traps, locating a structure's weak point</p><p>History: Identifying what civilization an artifact came from, figuring out why something was created</p><p>Nature: Identifying natural hazards, deducing whether or not something is poisonous, investigating a dead person's cause of death or time of death</p><p>Religion: Identifying the god a temple was built for, working out what ritual was performed based on things left over</p><p>Generic Intelligence checks: Any other kind of investigation</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fralex, post: 6570031, member: 6785902"] Yeah, the difference between Perception and Investigation is kinda confusing. If it helps, keep in mind that animals can have a very good Perception bonus but rarely are good at Investigation. That's because Perception is more about how good your senses are; it makes you [I]aware[/I] of things. Investigation is about how well you process what you perceive; it makes you [I]recognize[/I] things. Investigation has intent. You always know what you're trying to find. The problem I have with it is the concept of just using "investigation" on something is really nebulous. All the other Intelligence skills are based around knowledge about a particular topic. What sort of knowledge does Investigation use? The knowledge of... what clues mean? ...how to find clues? These all seem like things that would be better-suited to a specific knowledge check. I'd rather replace it with another one of those, maybe 3.5e's Architecture & Engineering check. Then you could break it down like this: Arcana: Finding magical lore, identifying a magical device or effect based on clues Architecture & Engineering: Finding hidden doors, identifying man-made traps, locating a structure's weak point History: Identifying what civilization an artifact came from, figuring out why something was created Nature: Identifying natural hazards, deducing whether or not something is poisonous, investigating a dead person's cause of death or time of death Religion: Identifying the god a temple was built for, working out what ritual was performed based on things left over Generic Intelligence checks: Any other kind of investigation [/QUOTE]
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