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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mlund" data-source="post: 6571179" data-attributes="member: 50304">It's just a matter of Perception vs. Cognition, and that's why they are broken apart they way they are. While the two are often used in concert, someone who is very perceptive (in the sensory sense of the word) may be very bad at actually realizing the meaning of what they are perceiving while someone who is very good at discerning clues might have poor ability to locate them by just observing their surroundings.Animals generally have great Perception, but basically no capacity for Investigation. A bloodhound can track with its nose, but it can't figure out a fugitive's destination, take a short cut, or decide to go up and down a river until it finds a place where the fugitive likely came out and start searching there to pick up the trail again.Likewise, Mr. Magoo could have the analytical mind of Sherlock Holmes but he's not going to be able to solve the crime unless someone with exceptional Perception meticulously describes everything he or she observes about a crime scene.Many sorts of investigative efforts are going to combine Perception and Investigation skills. Perception shows you where to use your Investigation. They'll also be plenty of times where you only need to use one or the other because the other part is obvious. If you find the seam to a secret door and it just opens inward when you push on it hard enough that's all Perception and no Investigation check is rolled. Likewise if someone has just fled the scene of a ghastly murder without time to cover his tracks all the evidence is out in the open. Analyzing the crime scene is purely an exercise in Investigation and requires no Perception roll. Use Perception and Investigation independently if the other one's role is so simple it should require a roll. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Marty Lund</blockquote>

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