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Message: <blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 6576178" data-attributes="member: 97077">What is it that irks you, specifically? That they're noticing hidden threats more often than not or that there is nothing interesting arising from their detection? Maybe there's a lack of player skill involved outside of how well they can construct a character? Or a lack of roleplaying because the checks matter more than the decisions and characterizations of the players?A few things to keep in mind with regard to this:1. If the (non-ranger) characters are doing almost anything other than constantly keeping an eye out for hidden threats, they don't get a check, passive or otherwise.2. To get a chance at noticing something, the player has to put his character in a position to do so by being reasonably specific about what he or she is doing.3. There's never a check - passive or otherwise - when the outcome is certain. If they've taken an action that definitely causes them to fail to notice a hidden threat, then they don't notice it, no roll. (On the flip side, if they've taken an action that definitely causes them to notice a hidden threat, then they notice it, no roll.)</blockquote>