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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aco175" data-source="post: 9768287" data-attributes="member: 27385">The character who might not draw attention to the cleaner looking torch sconce and be all "I saw that but I did not think it was a big deal", but the player knows that they need to push it, pull it, turn it, whatever to find something like a secret door.  Would the character know or do you make them roll an Investigation check when the player already knows.  This is kind of why I use both depending on what it is being looked for.</blockquote>