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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Theron" data-source="post: 5371850" data-attributes="member: 2326">I imagined this would be an "it depends" sort of situation.  When our group nearly got routed by orcs, it was due to us being primarily a melee party (Staggered isn't really much of a handicap against foes in melee range since you can still five foot step and attack or charge, as we understand it).  Also, we were in close quarters, so there wasn't a lot of room to maneuver once we bounced them.  Still, it was awfully strange to discover my amped full of rage 4th level dwarf barbarian with a +2 great axe couldn't one-shot a basic orc with anything approaching reliability (and since he does roughly double the damage on a hit of anyone else in the party, it made for some long and grindy fights).Personally, if I get around to running Pathfinder myself, I'll probably houserule them to a 1/2 CR.</blockquote>