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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruemere" data-source="post: 7932427" data-attributes="member: 5515">I believe I need to expand on my take a bit.I'm a fan of minimalistic design. I like when there are details and exceptions, but my firm rule is that they are to be reigned in. Limited to several choices, with glut and +1 bonuses removed. With special abilities using precise, single-sentence, descriptions.To me, 13th Age and Blades in the Dark represent important milestone achievements in design. 13th Age statblock contains only relevant bits with universal interaction mechanics covering the rest. Blades in the Dark provides a legible, easy and diabolically minimalistic PC character sheet with all mechanical exceptions grouped in a simple format.There are flaws, faults, inadequacies and missteps here and there, but once I read both systems, once I put them to use, I realized how many incredibly unimportant details are in PF2.And then I read White Hack. A fully realized system with potentially high level of complexity (certainly higher than your typical OSR core) on 66 pages of paper (less if you drop setting and scenario bits).The way I see it PF2 attempts (and gloriously fails) to provide a complete system for everything. 670 pages. Ugh. So many conditions (vs. 7 effects of 13th Age). So many items (since when Conan needed so many freaking little trinkets?). And tags. Tags galore... it's as if a code developer had a field day with refactoring a complex app.The three games up there prove that such grand designs are not really necessary. To create complexity all you need is Cartesian product of perpendicular concepts, not a thousand incrementally different variants.So:Boudica <NAME>, Level 7, A Martial <GROUP>, A Barbarian <GROUP>, A Monarch <GROUP>, A Charioteer <GROUP>, A General <GROUP>Each <GROUP> grants level gated Moves.Groups are not equal, I would assume that Barbarian Group and Martial Group are special, they bring class defining abilities. Monarch, Charioteer and General are probably just profession and social status designates that can be leveraged for universal Knowledge and Action moves.Each Group grants Group relevant Knowledge check move ("I am a Monarch, I should know the members of that royal family")Each Group grants Group relevant Action check move ("I am a General, I order them to do this")The Martial Group provides a set of Moves that go beyond simple Attack, Defend and Disengage. A character picks from the pool up to the limit of the Level. A Power Attack, A Feint, An Ultimate All-Out Combo. Etc.The Barbarian would be all about improved HP. The knowledges and checks - see above.And there would be also special class Moves:Martial Barbarian RAGEFrom here, one would need to sift through PF2 and pick class defining items, while ignoring the rest, and making sure that the number of choices at any time is low enough to allow players to enjoy the game without consulting a book on yet another trivia item.There. This is my take on both PF2 and your document - if it is not clear, I applaud the idea, regardless of how many little bits you keep <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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