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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 185734" data-attributes="member: 2829">There are two different types of permanent spells:1) Those spells on the caster (self)2) Those spells on other creatures/objects/areas1) These are much more difficult to dispell than other permanent spells, but that's the way it should be. There really isn't anything inappropriate about a spellcaster having a permanent protection from arrows on him, in fact, you might expect such a thing.2) These are much easier to dispel, and I don't have a problem with it. Consider this, it's highly unusual for a fighter to be able to walk around with permanent stoneskin or protection from arrows, but a wizard, well, you kinda expect that kinda thing.Then of course, there's the ability to make a spell permanent upon an object, say, a rock with Darkness. Such a rock would cost roughly 12,000gp on the open market, maybe less. However, to do the same thing with permanency, you would have to spend 1,500xp (equates to 7,500gp) and you would also have to research the application of permanency, which would cost you an additional 2,000gp (1,000gp per week, 1 week per spell level), for a grand total of 9,500gp. That's 2,500gp less than if you were to create the item.So, permanent spells are not as powerful as items, thus they are easier to dispel. IMO, it should be harder to dispel a permanent spell if it's on a caster, and they made it themselves. But it shouldn't be as difficult to dispel a permanent spell that's on a fighter. If the fighter want's a truly permanent solution, he should by a magic item, and technically, the wizard should as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 185734, member: 2829"] There are two different types of permanent spells: 1) Those spells on the caster (self) 2) Those spells on other creatures/objects/areas 1) These are much more difficult to dispell than other permanent spells, but that's the way it should be. There really isn't anything inappropriate about a spellcaster having a permanent protection from arrows on him, in fact, you might expect such a thing. 2) These are much easier to dispel, and I don't have a problem with it. Consider this, it's highly unusual for a fighter to be able to walk around with permanent stoneskin or protection from arrows, but a wizard, well, you kinda expect that kinda thing. Then of course, there's the ability to make a spell permanent upon an object, say, a rock with Darkness. Such a rock would cost roughly 12,000gp on the open market, maybe less. However, to do the same thing with permanency, you would have to spend 1,500xp (equates to 7,500gp) and you would also have to research the application of permanency, which would cost you an additional 2,000gp (1,000gp per week, 1 week per spell level), for a grand total of 9,500gp. That's 2,500gp less than if you were to create the item. So, permanent spells are not as powerful as items, thus they are easier to dispel. IMO, it [b]should[/b] be harder to dispel a permanent spell if it's on a caster, and they made it themselves. But it shouldn't be as difficult to dispel a permanent spell that's on a fighter. If the fighter want's a truly permanent solution, he should by a magic item, and technically, the wizard should as well. [/QUOTE]

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