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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 3107445" data-attributes="member: 30610">So now I have to answer everyone who takes issue with any implied aspect of one of my statements?   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I suggest accepting or denying builds on legal grounds wherever possible, as balance is a highly subjective issue.  That said, if there is an artificer in that campaign, then yes, it would behoove the DM to consider the balance of other characters relative to that artificer.  It seems from your tone that you have some issues with the artificer class itself.Allowing a cleric to use divine metamagic and persistent metamagic is not "upping" the power of the cleric - it is merely allowing access to certain splatbooks.  The power of clerics may increase as a result, but fundamentally we are considering an issue of access to material.  Assuming that those splatbooks are otherwise allowed for other characters, it would be pretty unfair to exclusively deny access for clerics, don't you think?  It seems that in this matter, your sense of fairness with regard to even rulings is being corrupted by your bias with regard to power balance.</blockquote>