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<blockquote data-quote="gabrion" data-source="post: 2213818" data-attributes="member: 30779"><p>Ok, so I give up. I still hate the 3.0 FAQ, but it doesn't look like there is a good way to justify touch spells as having a fixed range. I also heard another argument that helped convince me. Touch spells have to be discharged, and Persistent spell cannot be used with spells that need to be discharged. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, before I let the thread die, I remember someone asking for a list of spell that this would be useful for. Here is a list I helped work I long ago. I don't know who all contributed, so I can't give proper credit, but suffice to say it wasn't me who came up with the list initially. Also I'm not sure how dated it is. Anywho, here you go.</p><p></p><p>0th lvl</p><p>Detect Magic</p><p>Prestidigation</p><p>Read Magic</p><p></p><p>1st lvl</p><p>Accelerated Movement CA</p><p>Arrow Mind CA</p><p>Cheat DRAC/BoVD</p><p>Comprehend Languages</p><p>Critical Strike CA</p><p>Detect Secret Doors</p><p>Detect Undead</p><p>Disguise Self</p><p>Ectoplasmic Armor LM</p><p>Expeditious Retreat</p><p>Expeditious Retreat, Swift CA</p><p>Friendly Face RoD</p><p>Golem Strike CA</p><p>Guided Shot CA</p><p>Insightful Feint CA</p><p>Instant Locksmith CA</p><p>Instant Search CA</p><p>Laeral's Cutting hand MoF</p><p>Master's Touch SA/CA</p><p>Obscuring Mist</p><p>Sacrificial Skill BoVD</p><p>Scolar's Touch RoD</p><p>Shield</p><p>Snilloc's Snowball UE</p><p>Sniper's Shot CA</p><p>Tongue Tendrils BoVD</p><p></p><p>2nd lvl</p><p>Alter Self</p><p>Avoid Planar Effects PH/MoP(lvl 3)</p><p>Balancing Lorecall CA</p><p>Blade of Pain and Fear LM</p><p>Bladeweave CA</p><p>Body of the Sun MotW/CD</p><p>Claws of Darkness FRCS</p><p>Daggerspell Stance CA</p><p>Death Armor MoF</p><p>Decastave UE</p><p>Detect Thoughts</p><p>Devil's Tongue BoVD</p><p>Fangs of the Vampire King BoVD</p><p>Fearsome Grapple SA</p><p>Flame Dagger MoF</p><p>Fly, Swift CA</p><p>Graz'zt's Long Grasp BoVD</p><p>Gust of Wind</p><p>Inky Cloud SS</p><p>Invisibility</p><p>Leomund's Tiny Igloo FB</p><p>Levitate</p><p>Listening Lorecall CA</p><p>Lively Step PGtF</p><p>Masochism BoVD</p><p>Mirror Image</p><p>Mirror Move SA</p><p>Obscuring Snow FB</p><p>Razorfang DRAC</p><p>Razorscales SK</p><p>Reflective Disguise UN</p><p>Sadism BoVD</p><p>Scintillating Scales DRAC</p><p>See Invisibility</p><p>Shadow mask FRCS</p><p>Shroud of Undeat MoF</p><p>Surefooted Stride FC_3</p><p>Toothed Tentacle (concentration) LEoF</p><p>Veil of Shadow MHB</p><p>Wraithstrike CA</p><p></p><p>3rd lvl</p><p>Absorb Mind BoVD</p><p>Analyze Portal MoP/PH</p><p>Analyze Touchstone PH</p><p>Arcane Sight</p><p>Backblast LEoF</p><p>Blink</p><p>Burrow RoF (the new version in Underdark is touch)</p><p>Detect Metals and Minerals RoF</p><p>Devil's Eye BoVD</p><p>Dragon Breath DRAC</p><p>Dragon Skin DRAC</p><p>Ectoplasmic Feedback LM</p><p>Elation BoED</p><p>Eye of the Zombie BoVD</p><p>Glacial Globe of Invulnerability FB</p><p>Handfang SK</p><p>Leomund's Tiny Hut</p><p>Phantom Steed</p><p>Phieran's Resolve BoED</p><p>Planar Tolerance PH</p><p>Reverse Arrows MoF</p><p>Serpents of Theggeron BoVD</p><p>Sonorous Hum SS</p><p>Spectral Weapon CA</p><p>Telepathic Bond, Lesser CD</p><p>Telepathy Tap BoED</p><p>Tongue Serpents BoVD</p><p>Tremorsense UN</p><p>Giant's Wraith FC_3</p><p></p><p>4th lvl</p><p>Absorb Strength BoVD</p><p>Abyssal Might BoVD</p><p>Balor Nimbus PH</p><p>Bite of the Wererat SA</p><p>Crushing Despair</p><p>Detect Scrying</p><p>Ethereal Mount MoP</p><p>Evil Glare PH</p><p>Extend Tentacles SS</p><p>Fear</p><p>Fire Shield</p><p>Fire Stride FRCS</p><p>Gutsnake MoF</p><p>Globe of Invulnerability, Lesser</p><p>Hell's Power BoVD</p><p>Ilyykur's Mantle UE</p><p>Mass Darkvision T&B</p><p>Minor Creation</p><p>Radient Shield BoED</p><p>Sandform FC_1</p><p>Sharptooth DRAC</p><p>Spark Shield DCS</p><p>Thunderlance FRCS (2d6 STR 12+casterlevel)</p><p>Voice of the Dragon DRAC</p><p></p><p>5th lvl</p><p>Anticold Sphere FC_2/FB</p><p>Bite of the Werewolf SA</p><p>Blink, Improved CD/UE</p><p>Burning Blood DRAC</p><p>Claws of the Bebilith BoVD</p><p>Contingent Energy Resistance DRAC</p><p>Death Throes PH</p><p>Draconic Polymorph DRAC</p><p>Dragon Breath CD</p><p>Dragonsight DRAC</p><p>Flight of the Dragon DRAC</p><p>Ghostform T&B (lvl 8 since LM)</p><p>Kiss of the Vampire MoF</p><p>Mestil's Acid Sheath MoF</p><p>Nezram's Sapphire Screen of Shielding LEoF</p><p>Nightstalkers Transformation CA</p><p>Overland Flight</p><p>Prying Eyes</p><p>Resonating Resistance BoVD</p><p>Shadow Form CA</p><p>Sicken Evil BoED</p><p>Simbul's Spell Matrix MoF/PGtF</p><p>Superior Magic Fang DRAC</p><p></p><p>6th lvl</p><p>Aura of Evasion DRAC</p><p>Aura of Terror DRAC</p><p>Antimagic Field</p><p>Cacophonic Shield MoF</p><p>Eye of Stone RoS</p><p>Fiendform MoF</p><p>Fiendish Quickening BoVD</p><p>Globe of Invulnerability</p><p>Quickshift BoED</p><p>Spore Cloak RoF</p><p>Stone Body RoF/PGtF</p><p>Tenser's Transformation (you can't cast anymore)</p><p>Waves of Cold FB</p><p></p><p>7th lvl</p><p>Animate Breath DRAC</p><p>Arcane Sight, Greater</p><p>Bite of the Wereboar SA</p><p>Cacophonic Shield CA</p><p>Eladrin Form BoED (you can't cast anymore)</p><p>Elemental Body MoP</p><p>Ethereal Jaunt</p><p>Eye of the Beholder BoVD</p><p>Fiendish Clarity BoED</p><p>Simbul's Spell Sequencer MoF/PGtF</p><p>Spell Turning</p><p>Spirit Walk DCS</p><p>Vipergout SS</p><p></p><p>8th lvl</p><p>Bite of the Weretiger SA</p><p>Evil Weather BoVD</p><p>Flame Whips SS</p><p>Iron body</p><p>Lightning Ring PGtF</p><p>Moment of Prescience</p><p>Necrotic Empowerment LM</p><p>Veil of Undeath LM</p><p>Ghostform LM</p><p></p><p>9th lvl</p><p>Absorption T&B</p><p>Bite of the Werebear SA</p><p>Elminster's Effulgent Epuration MoF (close range in PGtF)</p><p>Prismatic Sphere</p><p>Shapechange</p><p>Simbul's Spell Trigger MoF/PGtF</p><p>Srinshee's Spell Shift LEoF</p><p>Teleportation Circle</p><p>Undermaster UN</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gabrion, post: 2213818, member: 30779"] Ok, so I give up. I still hate the 3.0 FAQ, but it doesn't look like there is a good way to justify touch spells as having a fixed range. I also heard another argument that helped convince me. Touch spells have to be discharged, and Persistent spell cannot be used with spells that need to be discharged. Anyway, before I let the thread die, I remember someone asking for a list of spell that this would be useful for. Here is a list I helped work I long ago. I don't know who all contributed, so I can't give proper credit, but suffice to say it wasn't me who came up with the list initially. Also I'm not sure how dated it is. Anywho, here you go. 0th lvl Detect Magic Prestidigation Read Magic 1st lvl Accelerated Movement CA Arrow Mind CA Cheat DRAC/BoVD Comprehend Languages Critical Strike CA Detect Secret Doors Detect Undead Disguise Self Ectoplasmic Armor LM Expeditious Retreat Expeditious Retreat, Swift CA Friendly Face RoD Golem Strike CA Guided Shot CA Insightful Feint CA Instant Locksmith CA Instant Search CA Laeral's Cutting hand MoF Master's Touch SA/CA Obscuring Mist Sacrificial Skill BoVD Scolar's Touch RoD Shield Snilloc's Snowball UE Sniper's Shot CA Tongue Tendrils BoVD 2nd lvl Alter Self Avoid Planar Effects PH/MoP(lvl 3) Balancing Lorecall CA Blade of Pain and Fear LM Bladeweave CA Body of the Sun MotW/CD Claws of Darkness FRCS Daggerspell Stance CA Death Armor MoF Decastave UE Detect Thoughts Devil's Tongue BoVD Fangs of the Vampire King BoVD Fearsome Grapple SA Flame Dagger MoF Fly, Swift CA Graz'zt's Long Grasp BoVD Gust of Wind Inky Cloud SS Invisibility Leomund's Tiny Igloo FB Levitate Listening Lorecall CA Lively Step PGtF Masochism BoVD Mirror Image Mirror Move SA Obscuring Snow FB Razorfang DRAC Razorscales SK Reflective Disguise UN Sadism BoVD Scintillating Scales DRAC See Invisibility Shadow mask FRCS Shroud of Undeat MoF Surefooted Stride FC_3 Toothed Tentacle (concentration) LEoF Veil of Shadow MHB Wraithstrike CA 3rd lvl Absorb Mind BoVD Analyze Portal MoP/PH Analyze Touchstone PH Arcane Sight Backblast LEoF Blink Burrow RoF (the new version in Underdark is touch) Detect Metals and Minerals RoF Devil's Eye BoVD Dragon Breath DRAC Dragon Skin DRAC Ectoplasmic Feedback LM Elation BoED Eye of the Zombie BoVD Glacial Globe of Invulnerability FB Handfang SK Leomund's Tiny Hut Phantom Steed Phieran's Resolve BoED Planar Tolerance PH Reverse Arrows MoF Serpents of Theggeron BoVD Sonorous Hum SS Spectral Weapon CA Telepathic Bond, Lesser CD Telepathy Tap BoED Tongue Serpents BoVD Tremorsense UN Giant's Wraith FC_3 4th lvl Absorb Strength BoVD Abyssal Might BoVD Balor Nimbus PH Bite of the Wererat SA Crushing Despair Detect Scrying Ethereal Mount MoP Evil Glare PH Extend Tentacles SS Fear Fire Shield Fire Stride FRCS Gutsnake MoF Globe of Invulnerability, Lesser Hell's Power BoVD Ilyykur's Mantle UE Mass Darkvision T&B Minor Creation Radient Shield BoED Sandform FC_1 Sharptooth DRAC Spark Shield DCS Thunderlance FRCS (2d6 STR 12+casterlevel) Voice of the Dragon DRAC 5th lvl Anticold Sphere FC_2/FB Bite of the Werewolf SA Blink, Improved CD/UE Burning Blood DRAC Claws of the Bebilith BoVD Contingent Energy Resistance DRAC Death Throes PH Draconic Polymorph DRAC Dragon Breath CD Dragonsight DRAC Flight of the Dragon DRAC Ghostform T&B (lvl 8 since LM) Kiss of the Vampire MoF Mestil's Acid Sheath MoF Nezram's Sapphire Screen of Shielding LEoF Nightstalkers Transformation CA Overland Flight Prying Eyes Resonating Resistance BoVD Shadow Form CA Sicken Evil BoED Simbul's Spell Matrix MoF/PGtF Superior Magic Fang DRAC 6th lvl Aura of Evasion DRAC Aura of Terror DRAC Antimagic Field Cacophonic Shield MoF Eye of Stone RoS Fiendform MoF Fiendish Quickening BoVD Globe of Invulnerability Quickshift BoED Spore Cloak RoF Stone Body RoF/PGtF Tenser's Transformation (you can't cast anymore) Waves of Cold FB 7th lvl Animate Breath DRAC Arcane Sight, Greater Bite of the Wereboar SA Cacophonic Shield CA Eladrin Form BoED (you can't cast anymore) Elemental Body MoP Ethereal Jaunt Eye of the Beholder BoVD Fiendish Clarity BoED Simbul's Spell Sequencer MoF/PGtF Spell Turning Spirit Walk DCS Vipergout SS 8th lvl Bite of the Weretiger SA Evil Weather BoVD Flame Whips SS Iron body Lightning Ring PGtF Moment of Prescience Necrotic Empowerment LM Veil of Undeath LM Ghostform LM 9th lvl Absorption T&B Bite of the Werebear SA Elminster's Effulgent Epuration MoF (close range in PGtF) Prismatic Sphere Shapechange Simbul's Spell Trigger MoF/PGtF Srinshee's Spell Shift LEoF Teleportation Circle Undermaster UN [/QUOTE]
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