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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdrakeh" data-source="post: 4305799" data-attributes="member: 13892">No, it isn't. This is an accurate representaton of the claimed relationship between existence and enjoyment, based on dictionary definitions of both words. It isn't an issue of semantics. You claimed that since people do X, they enjoy it. You stated that this is undisputable fact. I'm disputing it right now. Have you ever done anything that you didn't enjoy? Have you ever known somebody to be subjected to something that they didn't enjoy? The relationship that you state is in place is, in fact, not. because something exists does not mean that humanity (a blanket term as you applied it) enjoys it. Enjoyment may be a criteria for the creation of some very specific things, but it is not a critera for existence. Even if we were to accept your assertion at face value, this would mean that because computer games exist, humanity enjoys them and therefore, they are a fundamental part of the human experience. So, one of your statements posits that enjoying computer games makes you sub-human, while the other makes computer games a fundamental aspect of humanity. I'm afraid that you can't have it both ways.</blockquote>