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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sunshadow21" data-source="post: 6743085" data-attributes="member: 6667193"><p>That is a valid point, and if and when I find a DM and other players that is on the same page as me, I am perfectly willing to consider 5E or any other system that does similar things. However, it's not a system I would play with just anybody or be particularly excited about just sitting down at a random table to play. I've been burned way too many times to assume a good group, and I don't care if a bad DM ends up hanging himself in the process of doing a bad job; I don't want to sit through the experience of watching him do so. I reached this point long before 5E after playing 4E when it first came out. For all that 3.5 has flaws and weaknesses, I could always find some value or relaxation by playing a Living Grayhawk module with a random table. 4E made it very clear very quickly that DM empowerment just as often means DM abuse of power and/or DM ignorance ruining the experience completely. I have no particular interest in wasting limited and precious relaxation time because the DM wants something completely different from the game than I do, especially since I have since found a couple of groups I can enjoy playing with. Since most DMs who choose 5E over other systems do so precisely because of the narrative control and perceived lack of robust rules, that tends to limit my available options for playing 5E; the system itself isn't bad, but pretty much all the available DMs are doing it for all the reasons I actively avoid. So I play it where I see an opportunity to do so while enjoying it, and stick to Pathfinder as the primary system I personally run because I don't have the money to shell out for yet another set of books that is really only a slight varient on the rulesets I already have. Ultimately, though, I find myself slowly moving away from the D&D family of games altogether, because of the reasons I've listed elsewhere. There are just a few too many contradictory assumptions in all of the D&D rulesets for me to be particularly thrilled with any of them at this point.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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