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<blockquote data-quote="sunshadow21" data-source="post: 6743973" data-attributes="member: 6667193"><p>It wasn't intentional, I assure you. I haven't bought any new roleplaying books at all for at least a year now, save for a couple of Star Wars Saga books, which is still WotC. I mostly use Paizo and earlier WotC products because those were the systems I was playing when I was still buying books. And when it comes to forums in general, I tend to avoid specfic rules questions unless they directly tie into larger issues like the ones being discussed on this thread, and here I have tried to focus on the role of the skills in question as they pertain to the greater picture. </p><p></p><p>And on issues like this, I find that system really has only as much impact as the DM and group lets it. The system itself is really but a very small part of the conversation. I could use Pathfinder specfic examples but they wouldn't be noticeably different from the 5E examples that have been used; different names for the specific skills, that's about it. Pathfinder may have slightly different base assumptions than 5E, but not all that much. Nothing in Pathfinder states that the player can declare rolls or cannot declare rolls, and at least that I am aware of, nothing in 5E states that players can't declare specific actions for rolls. 5E may heavily favor the position that they don't but it never states it outright that they can't, and Pathfinder, like most of D&D actually, is largely neutral on the subject. Pathfinder's community has very clearly chosen a preferred method, but the rules really don't care one way or another. For me personally, the general tone of how I run my game would not be changed in 5E; skills and narrative would still have more or less equal value regardless of which variant of D&D I was using; 5E may well, by the interprations I've seen on this thread at least, not favor it, but I have seen plenty of room in how 5E is interpreted for my preferences to be equally as valid, and many players that don't like PF also don't like 5E because of perceived DM control issues, so putting together a full group would likely not be an issue. That, to me, is as far as system specfic concerns go.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sunshadow21, post: 6743973, member: 6667193"] It wasn't intentional, I assure you. I haven't bought any new roleplaying books at all for at least a year now, save for a couple of Star Wars Saga books, which is still WotC. I mostly use Paizo and earlier WotC products because those were the systems I was playing when I was still buying books. And when it comes to forums in general, I tend to avoid specfic rules questions unless they directly tie into larger issues like the ones being discussed on this thread, and here I have tried to focus on the role of the skills in question as they pertain to the greater picture. And on issues like this, I find that system really has only as much impact as the DM and group lets it. The system itself is really but a very small part of the conversation. I could use Pathfinder specfic examples but they wouldn't be noticeably different from the 5E examples that have been used; different names for the specific skills, that's about it. Pathfinder may have slightly different base assumptions than 5E, but not all that much. Nothing in Pathfinder states that the player can declare rolls or cannot declare rolls, and at least that I am aware of, nothing in 5E states that players can't declare specific actions for rolls. 5E may heavily favor the position that they don't but it never states it outright that they can't, and Pathfinder, like most of D&D actually, is largely neutral on the subject. Pathfinder's community has very clearly chosen a preferred method, but the rules really don't care one way or another. For me personally, the general tone of how I run my game would not be changed in 5E; skills and narrative would still have more or less equal value regardless of which variant of D&D I was using; 5E may well, by the interprations I've seen on this thread at least, not favor it, but I have seen plenty of room in how 5E is interpreted for my preferences to be equally as valid, and many players that don't like PF also don't like 5E because of perceived DM control issues, so putting together a full group would likely not be an issue. That, to me, is as far as system specfic concerns go. [/QUOTE]
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