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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sunshadow21" data-source="post: 6745941" data-attributes="member: 6667193">The key part, and this is where the two sides differ, is the response. Some feel that a successful roll means that the preferred action of the one who triggered the roll is automatically done because the roll forces that action; others don't. It comes down to play style and how the DM utilizes skill checks; a DM that chooses to generally use skill checks specifically as a means to resolve individual actions can very logically arrive at the forced action view. Those who prefer to see skill checks as part of a greater scene are a lot less likely to require such firm conclusions. Those people tend to run skills more like skill challenges, where the individual rolls matter, but no one single roll is likely to have that level of influence in the vast majority of common circumstances. The quoted sentence makes perfect sense for campaigns that emphasize single rolls to resolve very discrete questions; the practical outcome of the dice roll in those games is that you are or are not intimidated. In games where it is used more often in the skill challenge like setting, there are enough shades of gray to every dice roll to allow for someone to be intimidated without automatically being forced to the extreme position of automatic compliance to a specific request. In the end, the amount of gray area in the campaign in general, and where it can be found, is going to influence how any group decides to perceive this issue. In Iserith's campaign, I get the distinct impression that, at least when it comes to dice, there is no gray; all the gray happens on the roleplay side; I can very much understand his specific point within that greater context, even if that greater context is not how I approach the game. In the campaigns I've been in, there's been enough gray on enough dice rolls that such an extreme position on this issue is not usually required. Neither approach is right or wrong; they both work for their respective groups, but it can be a pretty large gap between the two should the two sides ever meet.</blockquote>

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