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<blockquote data-quote="SkidAce" data-source="post: 6142010" data-attributes="member: 7706">I liked the 4th edition concordance rules, and may still use them for my current Pathfinder game. (easy to move over)But looking at the &quot;relationship&quot; from the Pathfinder Ultimate Campaign Guide, they could be used to track your &quot;relationship&quot; with an artifact.Relationship runs from 5 to 30 points, and 4E concordance ran from 0 (or lower) to 20, so it's close.With the PF rules, there are rules for gaining points in the relationship via diplomacy, (forging a bond with the artifact), special events, via gifts (or a task for the artifact) etc.You can only do these things so many times per level, keeping it from spiralling out of control (&quot;I had 20 encounters with undead, does the Rod of Orcus love me?&quot;).And there is room for the DM to add in special bonuses based on plot (i.e&nbsp; helping or hindering the goals of the artifact).I especially like the idea of the Difficulty Class for the player's check to improve concordance being based on its current relationship level, making the DC scale up and requiring perhaps more effort.Haven't thought of any downsides (other than re-fluffing some of the terms). Since an artifact is &quot;supposed&quot; to have a personality, treating it as a relationship seems...neat...natural...etc.And since I can't think of any downsides, I posted here....<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="SkidAce, post: 6142010, member: 7706"] I liked the 4th edition concordance rules, and may still use them for my current Pathfinder game. (easy to move over) But looking at the "relationship" from the Pathfinder Ultimate Campaign Guide, they could be used to track your "relationship" with an artifact. Relationship runs from 5 to 30 points, and 4E concordance ran from 0 (or lower) to 20, so it's close. With the PF rules, there are rules for gaining points in the relationship via diplomacy, (forging a bond with the artifact), special events, via gifts (or a task for the artifact) etc. You can only do these things so many times per level, keeping it from spiralling out of control ("I had 20 encounters with undead, does the [I]Rod of Orcus[/I] love me?"). And there is room for the DM to add in special bonuses based on plot (i.e helping or hindering the goals of the artifact). I especially like the idea of the Difficulty Class for the player's check to improve concordance being based on its current relationship level, making the DC scale up and requiring perhaps more effort. Haven't thought of any downsides (other than re-fluffing some of the terms). Since an artifact is "supposed" to have a personality, treating it as a relationship seems...neat...natural...etc. And since I can't think of any downsides, I posted here....:D [/QUOTE]

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