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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7403909" data-attributes="member: 996">It'll be as popular as PF1?&nbsp; I mean, if their fans had liked balanced martial &amp; caster classes, they might have just made the transition to 4e.Not that the above looks to pose nearly that risk of caster/non-caster balance.&nbsp; Rather, it looks more like they're outfitting the class designs to fit to a shorter day than 5e's 6-8 encounters, perhaps because, realistically, that's what folks actually do?&nbsp;Laughable.&nbsp; 5e hypothetically balances casters on a 6-8 encounter day basically no one uses.&nbsp; You get to claim balance in theory, while enjoying D&amp;D's traditional tier-1 caster supremacy, in practice.&nbsp; I'm sure PF2 will deliver the same thing.&nbsp;Again, the whole point of PF was to retain those things.&nbsp;When was that promise ever made?&nbsp; PF was sold on the promise of /being/ 3.5, again, all it's 'endemic issues' intact, unlike 4e, which fixed them pretty hard.With 5e back to delivering the same traditional class dynamics D&amp;D had in 3.5 &amp; earlier, PF2 can't simply be an alternative to the anathema of balance in D&amp;D, it has to either find something else unacceptable in 5e to not be - or come up with something desirable (to it's existing fan base, who, by definition, loathe balanced classes) to keep PF customers engaged &amp; subscribed.&nbsp; Paizo has a proven track record.&nbsp; I'm a little surprised to see any suggestion of 'nerfing' casters be a part of that, but I suspect they'll make it up somewhere else......that didn't take long.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; &nbsp;Vainly hoping to sell to the largest RPG market since the fad years of the 80s?Thing is, D&amp;D fans, newly-minted, ongoing, or returning, are happy with 5e, it's as D&amp;D as D&amp;D has ever been, 3.5 D&amp;D in all it's glory, included.&nbsp; It seems unintuitive to try to sell to them with a 5e clone, at least until WotC comes up with a 6e that 5e fans feel betrayed by, and who knows when that'll happen...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7403909, member: 996"] It'll be as popular as PF1? I mean, if their fans had liked balanced martial & caster classes, they might have just made the transition to 4e. Not that the above looks to pose nearly that risk of caster/non-caster balance. Rather, it looks more like they're outfitting the class designs to fit to a shorter day than 5e's 6-8 encounters, perhaps because, realistically, that's what folks actually do? Laughable. 5e hypothetically balances casters on a 6-8 encounter day basically no one uses. You get to claim balance in theory, while enjoying D&D's traditional tier-1 caster supremacy, in practice. I'm sure PF2 will deliver the same thing. Again, the whole point of PF was to retain those things. When was that promise ever made? PF was sold on the promise of /being/ 3.5, again, all it's 'endemic issues' intact, unlike 4e, which fixed them pretty hard. With 5e back to delivering the same traditional class dynamics D&D had in 3.5 & earlier, PF2 can't simply be an alternative to the anathema of balance in D&D, it has to either find something else unacceptable in 5e to not be - or come up with something desirable (to it's existing fan base, who, by definition, loathe balanced classes) to keep PF customers engaged & subscribed. Paizo has a proven track record. I'm a little surprised to see any suggestion of 'nerfing' casters be a part of that, but I suspect they'll make it up somewhere else... ...that didn't take long. ;) Vainly hoping to sell to the largest RPG market since the fad years of the 80s? Thing is, D&D fans, newly-minted, ongoing, or returning, are happy with 5e, it's as D&D as D&D has ever been, 3.5 D&D in all it's glory, included. It seems unintuitive to try to sell to them with a 5e clone, at least until WotC comes up with a 6e that 5e fans feel betrayed by, and who knows when that'll happen... [/QUOTE]

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