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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7406383" data-attributes="member: 6779196">That’s what Pathfinder was. When, in the eyes of most D&amp;D fans, 4e had abandoned them, Pathfinder stepped in to offer them a way to keep playing D&amp;D. But like it or not, in the eyes of most D&amp;D fans, 5e is D&amp;D. So Pathfinder can no longer survive on the promise of “keep playing D&amp;D” because D&amp;D is offering that again, and doing a better job of it because it can actually have beholders and mind flayers and Drizt and all that other D&amp;D stuff. Pathfinder’s fan base is dwindling because the majority of people who adopted PF1 as an alternative to 4e have moved on now that 4e is dead and 5e has returned D&amp;D to form in their eyes. And nobody coming into the hobby for the first time is going to start with PF1 when 5e is so popular unless they’re brought into it by a dedicated PF1 fan. So Pathfinder has not only lost a significant portion of its existing fan base, it also isn’t bringing in enough new blood. Simply being D&amp;D just isn’t enough any more. Pathfinder needs to find its own identity or it is going to fail. Paizo knows that, which is why PF2 is looking so unappealing to the people who just want it to be D&amp;D. Especially to the ones to whom “being D&amp;D” means being a direct evolution of D&amp;D 3e’s design.Indeed, the fall of 4e and the rise of PF1 proved that “D&amp;D” is more than just a brand name. But the rise of 5e and the fall of PF1 is proving that the brand name does contribute to what makes D&amp;D, as do its proprietary settings and monsters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7406383, member: 6779196"] That’s what Pathfinder [I]was[/I]. When, in the eyes of most D&D fans, 4e had abandoned them, Pathfinder stepped in to offer them a way to keep playing D&D. But like it or not, in the eyes of most D&D fans, 5e is D&D. So Pathfinder can no longer survive on the promise of “keep playing D&D” because D&D is offering that again, and doing a better job of it because it can actually have beholders and mind flayers and Drizt and all that other D&D stuff. Pathfinder’s fan base is dwindling because the majority of people who adopted PF1 as an alternative to 4e have moved on now that 4e is dead and 5e has returned D&D to form in their eyes. And nobody coming into the hobby for the first time is going to start with PF1 when 5e is so popular unless they’re brought into it by a dedicated PF1 fan. So Pathfinder has not only lost a significant portion of its existing fan base, it also isn’t bringing in enough new blood. Simply being D&D just isn’t enough any more. Pathfinder needs to find its own identity or it is going to fail. Paizo knows that, which is why PF2 is looking so unappealing to the people who just want it to be D&D. Especially to the ones to whom “being D&D” means being a direct evolution of D&D 3e’s design. Indeed, the fall of 4e and the rise of PF1 proved that “D&D” is more than just a brand name. But the rise of 5e and the fall of PF1 is proving that the brand name does contribute to what makes D&D, as do its proprietary settings and monsters. [/QUOTE]

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