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<blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 8391617" data-attributes="member: 42040">To be fair, it's not hard to keep up with every PF2 thread on this forum. There's only a handful, with probably 75% of them started by me. Haha.Those posters who like discussing PF2 come into most of the threads as well ([USER=6778210]@Justice and Rule[/USER] , [USER=70468]@kenada[/USER] to name a couple). I do value his feedback as well as the rest of you, even if we have disagreements. I think it is demonstrative that we can all have different experiences with the game, because we're all in the hobby for different reasons. Yes, to certain perspectives it's overly complicated. That's fine for those of you who like that kind of game and can understand the little bits. For the rest of us, it's seeming like a &quot;baby with the bathwater&quot; moment. Maybe it's time to give up on getting a system that can support the fiction of D&amp;D and classic fantasy gaming with a more robust tactical element than 5e. Maybe Level Up will suit us better? Maybe we should look at going back to PF1? But seems pretty clear that for some of us there's just no getting PF2 to where we want. And after some substantial time and financial investment (at least on my part), that's a shame. There's also the baked-in disappointment that it's from a company I used to support and now my interest in their products will be waning. I'm some ways it feels like a breakup from a relationship where two partners want different things. Maybe that's why we see so much passion in these threads?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Retreater, post: 8391617, member: 42040"] To be fair, it's not hard to keep up with every PF2 thread on this forum. There's only a handful, with probably 75% of them started by me. Haha. Those posters who like discussing PF2 come into most of the threads as well ([USER=6778210]@Justice and Rule[/USER] , [USER=70468]@kenada[/USER] to name a couple). I do value his feedback as well as the rest of you, even if we have disagreements. I think it is demonstrative that we can all have different experiences with the game, because we're all in the hobby for different reasons. Yes, to certain perspectives it's overly complicated. That's fine for those of you who like that kind of game and can understand the little bits. For the rest of us, it's seeming like a "baby with the bathwater" moment. Maybe it's time to give up on getting a system that can support the fiction of D&D and classic fantasy gaming with a more robust tactical element than 5e. Maybe Level Up will suit us better? Maybe we should look at going back to PF1? But seems pretty clear that for some of us there's just no getting PF2 to where we want. And after some substantial time and financial investment (at least on my part), that's a shame. There's also the baked-in disappointment that it's from a company I used to support and now my interest in their products will be waning. I'm some ways it feels like a breakup from a relationship where two partners want different things. Maybe that's why we see so much passion in these threads? [/QUOTE]

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