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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8394694" data-attributes="member: 7026617">That's more an artifact of the High Jump DC being kind of stupid-hard for what it is (contrast it with the Long Jump difficulty).&nbsp; Though I will note a 4 or 5' table is pretty high; is that actually how they defined it?&nbsp; Because if its 3' or less no roll is required.Like I said, not my experience and I'm playing in AoA.Well, honestly if you're dealing with a +3 level spellcaster, there's already a big problem for you there anyway.&nbsp; And to expect a rolled 45 damage fireball requires one cast at 6th level, which isn't necessarily a given even if the caster is three levels up (since that requires an 11th level caster using up one of his 6th level slots that way, or a sorcerer with Fireball as a signature spell).&nbsp; I'm not saying it can't happen, but that doesn't seem any intrinsically worse than if you're fighting a lot of 11th level opponents when you're 8th level.&nbsp;&nbsp; You're definitely in trouble if that's the case, but I'm not sure that someone's Reflex save is any worse of a problem than any defensive ability with that much difference.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8394694, member: 7026617"] That's more an artifact of the High Jump DC being kind of stupid-hard for what it is (contrast it with the Long Jump difficulty). Though I will note a 4 or 5' table is pretty high; is that actually how they defined it? Because if its 3' or less no roll is required. Like I said, not my experience and I'm playing in AoA. Well, honestly if you're dealing with a +3 level spellcaster, there's already a big problem for you there anyway. And to expect a rolled 45 damage fireball requires one cast at 6th level, which isn't necessarily a given even if the caster is three levels up (since that requires an 11th level caster using up one of his 6th level slots that way, or a sorcerer with Fireball as a signature spell). I'm not saying it can't happen, but that doesn't seem any intrinsically worse than if you're fighting a lot of 11th level opponents when you're 8th level. You're definitely in trouble if that's the case, but I'm not sure that someone's Reflex save is any worse of a problem than any defensive ability with that much difference. [/QUOTE]

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