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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 8416776" data-attributes="member: 5834">Let me see. The bolded statement does not jibe with my experience in PF2 using skills.If you're an expert in say Deception with an 18 charisma at lvl 8, you should have a Master +6 proficiency, +4 Charisma, and an item bonus of +1. That would be +14 proficiency +4 cha +1 item bonus for a +19 Deception bonus.A creature lvl 6 (generally lvl-2 is a common mook) has a Perception DC of 23 to 25. So you succeed on a 4 to 6 roll.A creature lvl 8 which is on level has a Perception DC of 25 to 27. So you succeed on a roll of 6 to 8.I think one of the often overlooked bonuses for early PF2 players is the item bonus to skills. It's very important to pick up an item to become an expert in a given skill. Even without the item, you would boost the rolls needed by 1.You definitely become much better at using skills against enemies as you level. I've built characters in PF2 around skills, especially Stealth, Intimidate, and Deception, and they've been very effective.It took my group quite a while to get used to PF2 from years of playing PF1 and 3E. It's a different game. We overlooked item bonuses and other ways to boost skills like gaining a circumstance bonus on Strength with Intimidate. But there is a definite improvement in skill ability moving up the ranks with proficiency along with item bonuses and statistic boosts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 8416776, member: 5834"] Let me see. The bolded statement does not jibe with my experience in PF2 using skills. If you're an expert in say Deception with an 18 charisma at lvl 8, you should have a Master +6 proficiency, +4 Charisma, and an item bonus of +1. That would be +14 proficiency +4 cha +1 item bonus for a +19 Deception bonus. A creature lvl 6 (generally lvl-2 is a common mook) has a Perception DC of 23 to 25. So you succeed on a 4 to 6 roll. A creature lvl 8 which is on level has a Perception DC of 25 to 27. So you succeed on a roll of 6 to 8. I think one of the often overlooked bonuses for early PF2 players is the item bonus to skills. It's very important to pick up an item to become an expert in a given skill. Even without the item, you would boost the rolls needed by 1. You definitely become much better at using skills against enemies as you level. I've built characters in PF2 around skills, especially Stealth, Intimidate, and Deception, and they've been very effective. It took my group quite a while to get used to PF2 from years of playing PF1 and 3E. It's a different game. We overlooked item bonuses and other ways to boost skills like gaining a circumstance bonus on Strength with Intimidate. But there is a definite improvement in skill ability moving up the ranks with proficiency along with item bonuses and statistic boosts. [/QUOTE]

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