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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8926770" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Yeah.  Fundamentally the problem is Yaarel is running into in this argument is that he's based his argument on premises that I don't think virtually anyone else in it accepts.  I've been trying to be polite about it, but I don't actually believe that a D&D style arcanist with the full capacity they seem to want and enough capability (however its acquired) to take on single opponents at or above their level and still be balanced with non-casters.  I don't think its been true previously, and don't see how its going to be now.  As noted, even combatants don't really do that in PF2e and taking on single opponents is their main gig.Its possible (though not easily within PF2e) to have crippled casters that fish more in the non-caster pool in terms of how they operate, but that's not what they seem to want.</blockquote>