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<blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 8928193" data-attributes="member: 907">The polymorph spells more-or-less turn you into a level-appropriate generic martial, albeit reskinned to look like something else and likely getting some utility out of it as well (e.g. movement speed and/or senses). As an example, a 9th level martial will look something like this before class-specific shenanigans (e.g. rage, extra fighter proficiency):Attack: +18 (expert proficiency +13, Str +4, item +1)Damage: 2d8+4+1d6 energy one-handed, or 2d12+4+1d6 energy two-handed. These prioritize damage over tricksiness.AC: 27 (base 10, trained proficiency +11, item + Dex +5, magic +1)Looking at a 5th level polymorph-style spell, we have:Elemental form (turning into an Earth elemental): Attack +18, Damage 2d10+9, AC 28Aerial form (turning into a pterosaur): Attack +18, Damage 3d6+8, AC 27 (plus of course getting a flight speed, which ain't nothing).Primal casters additionally have:Animal form (various): Attack +18, Damage 4d8+8, AC 27.Dinosaur form (various): Attack +18, Damage 4d8+6, AC 27.Insect form (turning into a beetle): Attack +18, Damage 4d10+2, AC 27.5th-level animal, dinosaur, and insect form all turn you into a Huge creature, as opposed to the Large aerial form or the Medium elemental form, which might sometimes be relevant.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Staffan, post: 8928193, member: 907"] The polymorph spells more-or-less turn you into a level-appropriate generic martial, albeit reskinned to look like something else and likely getting some utility out of it as well (e.g. movement speed and/or senses). As an example, a 9th level martial will look something like this before class-specific shenanigans (e.g. rage, extra fighter proficiency): Attack: +18 (expert proficiency +13, Str +4, item +1) Damage: 2d8+4+1d6 energy one-handed, or 2d12+4+1d6 energy two-handed. These prioritize damage over tricksiness. AC: 27 (base 10, trained proficiency +11, item + Dex +5, magic +1) Looking at a 5th level polymorph-style spell, we have: [I]Elemental form[/I] (turning into an Earth elemental): Attack +18, Damage 2d10+9, AC 28 [I]Aerial form[/I] (turning into a pterosaur): Attack +18, Damage 3d6+8, AC 27 (plus of course getting a flight speed, which ain't nothing). Primal casters additionally have: [I]Animal form[/I] (various): Attack +18, Damage 4d8+8, AC 27. [I]Dinosaur form[/I] (various): Attack +18, Damage 4d8+6, AC 27. [I]Insect form[/I] (turning into a beetle): Attack +18, Damage 4d10+2, AC 27. 5th-level [I]animal[/I], [I]dinosaur[/I], and [I]insect form[/I] all turn you into a Huge creature, as opposed to the Large [I]aerial form[/I] or the Medium [I]elemental form[/I], which might sometimes be relevant. [/QUOTE]

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