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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6342483" data-attributes="member: 6677017">(Bear with me as I repeat stuff you already know to organize my thoughts)In the playtest, if a weapon is very much like a real weapon, you could treat it as that. If it is oddly shaped (a chair, a saddle) you are just hitting something with an unwieldy object, and the weapon chart is essentially:Unwieldy Object, 1d4 damageLarge Unwieldy Object, 1d6 damage, two-handedNo one is proficient in Unwieldy Object or Large Unwieldy Object.I think the basic premise from the playtest version was that improvised  weapons would do less damage than normal weapons. 1d4 for one-handed  weapons is the same as a few, but it's also the lowest real die value,  and I'm guessing they were intentionally avoiding 1d3 and 1d2. 1d6 is  lower than all two-handed weapons.If something is very much like a club, such as being shaped and weighted like one, then you can use it like a club, which means you are likely proficient with it. If you are hitting someone with a beer stein, though, it isn't the same as a club at all and you just aren't proficient with it.All of that made a lot of sense. I'm just not seeing a good reason to take Large Unwieldy Object off of the theoretical equipment chart.</blockquote>