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Phantasmal Force's non-saving throw--how would you handle?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jaelommiss" data-source="post: 6490916" data-attributes="member: 6775925"><p>It cannot be cast in higher slots, so neither the damage or number of people affects can increase. Well, I suppose you could use it in a higher slot if you want to, but there's no benefits to doing so. I personally see taking an action to inspect something as entirely different to simply interacting with it. I interact with hundreds of things daily, but certainly do not examine more than a couple. Taking time to check every part of a spoon for scratches is examining it. Using it to eat soup is not, even if it takes longer. To use the bridge as an example, suppose the party rogue was scouting ahead and had this spell cast on him by a hidden foe as he approached a chasm. He sees a bridge crossing to the other side. If he attempts to look for traps, identify the material it is made of, or wants to try to identify who made it based on archetectural design, I would allow him to make the investigation check because he is going out of his way to inspect the illusion. If he simply tried to cross without doing any of that, I would tell him what he assumes happened (the listed example is slipped off). If the illusion was an opponent, a gnome for instance, I would tell the player who attacks it that the gnome avoided all of his attacks. If the player was in a hidden location and scouting an enemy camp, and then started asking multiple questions about the gnome (what weapons is he carrying, what armour, distinguishing features, does he seem to be in charge, etc.) then I would allow an investigation check. Only druids and wizards are proficient in Int saving throws, making it useful against most targets. It's also, depending on the DM, rather difficult to break out of. The downside is that it doesn't improve later on and can only affect a single target. Once higher level spells are available it isn't worth the concentration it takes except in rare circumstances.Edit: It's not letting me put spaces between paragraphs. Sorry for the wall of text.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelommiss, post: 6490916, member: 6775925"] It cannot be cast in higher slots, so neither the damage or number of people affects can increase. Well, I suppose you could use it in a higher slot if you want to, but there's no benefits to doing so. I personally see taking an action to inspect something as entirely different to simply interacting with it. I interact with hundreds of things daily, but certainly do not examine more than a couple. Taking time to check every part of a spoon for scratches is examining it. Using it to eat soup is not, even if it takes longer. To use the bridge as an example, suppose the party rogue was scouting ahead and had this spell cast on him by a hidden foe as he approached a chasm. He sees a bridge crossing to the other side. If he attempts to look for traps, identify the material it is made of, or wants to try to identify who made it based on archetectural design, I would allow him to make the investigation check because he is going out of his way to inspect the illusion. If he simply tried to cross without doing any of that, I would tell him what he assumes happened (the listed example is slipped off). If the illusion was an opponent, a gnome for instance, I would tell the player who attacks it that the gnome avoided all of his attacks. If the player was in a hidden location and scouting an enemy camp, and then started asking multiple questions about the gnome (what weapons is he carrying, what armour, distinguishing features, does he seem to be in charge, etc.) then I would allow an investigation check. Only druids and wizards are proficient in Int saving throws, making it useful against most targets. It's also, depending on the DM, rather difficult to break out of. The downside is that it doesn't improve later on and can only affect a single target. Once higher level spells are available it isn't worth the concentration it takes except in rare circumstances.Edit: It's not letting me put spaces between paragraphs. Sorry for the wall of text. [/QUOTE]
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