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<blockquote data-quote="Regicide" data-source="post: 4754093" data-attributes="member: 67552">The fact that BRs pretty much ignore half the damage tossed at them is pretty ridiculous and there is no way that WotC didn't see it when they put it in.&nbsp; But it's like trying to hold back a flood.&nbsp; Nerf these for being OP and a year from now you'll have 50 things nerfed and more house rules than core rules.&nbsp; I think you just need to accept the underlying theme of &quot;let the players win.&quot;&nbsp; These things only really become a problem when all your players start taking tempests and battleragers.&nbsp; If there are enough OP choices to keep people playing a variety of things, then whatever.&nbsp; Toss harder monsters at them, play modules that are 2 levels &quot;too high&quot; for them etc.&nbsp; &nbsp; If you ignore the fact that the first 2 pages of S&amp;F errata is just a standards thing and tagging powers with what type they are and generally doesn't impact play, the amount of errata for it is pretty close to that of AV.&nbsp; Plus for 4E they aren't putting editing mistakes in updates so much/at all like they sometimes did in 3/3.5.&nbsp; That also begs the question, doesn't AV actually need more errata?&nbsp; It's more a factor of them bothering to do the errata than how much it's needed.&nbsp; Look at Book of Nine Swords, I don't even think they did any errata for it, and it could do with a few pages minimum.&nbsp; You think battlerager is OP, whooo boy, let me tell you some of the crap BoNS partys can pull...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Regicide, post: 4754093, member: 67552"] The fact that BRs pretty much ignore half the damage tossed at them is pretty ridiculous and there is no way that WotC didn't see it when they put it in. But it's like trying to hold back a flood. Nerf these for being OP and a year from now you'll have 50 things nerfed and more house rules than core rules. I think you just need to accept the underlying theme of "let the players win." These things only really become a problem when all your players start taking tempests and battleragers. If there are enough OP choices to keep people playing a variety of things, then whatever. Toss harder monsters at them, play modules that are 2 levels "too high" for them etc. If you ignore the fact that the first 2 pages of S&F errata is just a standards thing and tagging powers with what type they are and generally doesn't impact play, the amount of errata for it is pretty close to that of AV. Plus for 4E they aren't putting editing mistakes in updates so much/at all like they sometimes did in 3/3.5. That also begs the question, doesn't AV actually need more errata? It's more a factor of them bothering to do the errata than how much it's needed. Look at Book of Nine Swords, I don't even think they did any errata for it, and it could do with a few pages minimum. You think battlerager is OP, whooo boy, let me tell you some of the crap BoNS partys can pull... [/QUOTE]

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