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<blockquote data-quote="Shardstone" data-source="post: 9447765" data-attributes="member: 6807784">Yes we can. Hickman worked on it. The project is high quality. The Van Richten's book was also high-quality, and every artist talked about how they brought their own ideas of horror into it. I've read the darn thing front to back and it even has OSR-style rules for &quot;survivor&quot; characters who want a TRUER horror experience. This is NEVER talked about. NEVER! Survivor rules are GREAT, and allow you to experience a truly visceral and terrifying horror game in D&amp;D, but instead people pretend like the Core and 5E typical baseline ruins the whole thing. In reality, the book allows you to play a Dark Fantasy of D&amp;D OR you can play with Survivor mode and have a true horror game.The book is quality. Curse of Strahd is quality. They may not fit your tone of horror, but they are fun horror games, and I'm sick of this tired argument about WotC trying to appease &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;people&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; which we ALL KNOW is a VAGUELY CODED POLITICAL STATEMENT. NOTHING is being stripped for appeasement in Ravenloft. Not to mention Radiant Citadel, Eve of Vecna, Rime of the Frostmaiden, and Descent into Avernus -- for their individual flaws -- have horrific evil in them! You literally burn the souls of the dead to go into a giant bloody scab to fight back demons in DiA. In Rime of the Frostmaiden, you have a NUMBER of horror tropes in the stories that make for brutal and terrifying sessions, including villages sacrificing people to appease their bloodthisty frost-goddess AND cannibalism! In Eve of Vecna, there is a literal FLESH MARKET the players find in the second chapter. Radiant Citadel has big boy adult politics in the main hub itself, as well as dark tyrannical angels, genocidal forces, and tradiitonal Southern Gothic Horror (literally) darkness. All of this NEVER gets talked about. Instead all I ever here is how the content is being made &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;PG&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;.Like cmon man. I'm tired of pretending that some opinions are valid. They aren't. It is objective that WotC still includes adult themes and content in their games. Just because it's not called attention to in their press releases doesn't mean it doesn't exist.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shardstone, post: 9447765, member: 6807784"] Yes we can. Hickman worked on it. The project is high quality. The Van Richten's book was also high-quality, and every artist talked about how they brought their own ideas of horror into it. I've read the darn thing front to back and it even has OSR-style rules for "survivor" characters who want a TRUER horror experience. This is NEVER talked about. NEVER! Survivor rules are GREAT, and allow you to experience a truly visceral and terrifying horror game in D&D, but instead people pretend like the Core and 5E typical baseline ruins the whole thing. In reality, the book allows you to play a Dark Fantasy of D&D OR you can play with Survivor mode and have a true horror game. The book is quality. Curse of Strahd is quality. They may not fit your tone of horror, but they are fun horror games, and I'm sick of this tired argument about WotC trying to appease """"people""""" which we ALL KNOW is a VAGUELY CODED POLITICAL STATEMENT. NOTHING is being stripped for appeasement in Ravenloft. Not to mention Radiant Citadel, Eve of Vecna, Rime of the Frostmaiden, and Descent into Avernus -- for their individual flaws -- have horrific evil in them! You literally burn the souls of the dead to go into a giant bloody scab to fight back demons in DiA. In Rime of the Frostmaiden, you have a NUMBER of horror tropes in the stories that make for brutal and terrifying sessions, including villages sacrificing people to appease their bloodthisty frost-goddess AND cannibalism! In Eve of Vecna, there is a literal FLESH MARKET the players find in the second chapter. Radiant Citadel has big boy adult politics in the main hub itself, as well as dark tyrannical angels, genocidal forces, and tradiitonal Southern Gothic Horror (literally) darkness. All of this NEVER gets talked about. Instead all I ever here is how the content is being made """"""""PG"""""""""""". Like cmon man. I'm tired of pretending that some opinions are valid. They aren't. It is objective that WotC still includes adult themes and content in their games. Just because it's not called attention to in their press releases doesn't mean it doesn't exist. [/QUOTE]

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