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<blockquote data-quote="Betote" data-source="post: 4067668" data-attributes="member: 52055">For me, it's not an issue of &quot;they'd better have class X or race Y or I'll never play this game&quot;, mostly because I see 4E as a fundamentally different game from 3.X (I've never really cared about OD&amp;D/AD&amp;D1/AD&amp;D2, for that matter), so there's no &quot;sacred cows&quot; issue here.But I expect it to be a complete game. If it's a high fantasy game, I expect it to have room for, at least, these archetypes:- A thief who backstabs and disables traps.- A grunty barbarian from the Far North.- A grim necromancer.- A snaketongue illusionist/enchanter.- A daring swashbuckler.- A crazied although wise old wizard.- A mistery jack-of-all-trades wanderer.- A Man of the Wilds who communes with nature.- A preachy zealot whose faith empowers him.- A tragic figure who made a deal with the Dark Powers.- A man whose mere presence inspires greatness in allies and fear in enemies.- A battle-weathered mercenary.If 4E is able to provide space for, at least, these archetypes in the 3 first core books and the creature selection in the 1st MM is broad enough, I'll probably give it a try. I don't care if later splats or &quot;neo-core&quot; books address that issue, because there're a lot of other games in the market that are able to do this with just the basics (3.X among them).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Betote, post: 4067668, member: 52055"] For me, it's not an issue of "they'd better have class X or race Y or I'll never play this game", mostly because I see 4E as a fundamentally different game from 3.X (I've never really cared about OD&D/AD&D1/AD&D2, for that matter), so there's no "sacred cows" issue here. [b]But[/b] I expect it to be a complete game. If it's a high fantasy game, I expect it to have room for, at least, these archetypes: - A thief who backstabs and disables traps. - A grunty barbarian from the Far North. - A grim necromancer. - A snaketongue illusionist/enchanter. - A daring swashbuckler. - A crazied although wise old wizard. - A mistery jack-of-all-trades wanderer. - A Man of the Wilds who communes with nature. - A preachy zealot whose faith empowers him. - A tragic figure who made a deal with the Dark Powers. - A man whose mere presence inspires greatness in allies and fear in enemies. - A battle-weathered mercenary. If 4E is able to provide space for, at least, these archetypes in the 3 first core books [b]and[/b] the creature selection in the 1st MM is broad enough, I'll probably give it a try. I don't care if later splats or "neo-core" books address that issue, because there're a lot of other games in the market that are able to do this with just the basics (3.X among them). [/QUOTE]

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