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<blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 4067999" data-attributes="member: 14159">Half-Elf1st Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 162nd Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 303rd Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 173.5 Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 18Gnome1st Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 162nd Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 303rd Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 163.5 Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 16Ranger1st Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 242nd Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 403rd Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 443.5 Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 46Paladin1st Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 222nd Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 383rd Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 413.5 Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 42Illusionist1st Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 262nd Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 463rd Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 543.5 Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 57Druid1st Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 202nd Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 513rd Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 333.5 Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 33Bard1st Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 1172nd Edition AD&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 583rd Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 263.5 Edition D&amp;D Players Handbook, Page 26If they are calling this 4th Edition, that means it's to be considered a successor to what is called &quot;3rd Edition&quot; which means the editions released in 2000 and a revised edition in 2003.&nbsp; What is generally known as &quot;2nd Edition&quot; means AD&amp;D 2nd Edition released in 1989, and &quot;1st Edition&quot; is pretty much universally means AD&amp;D 1e that began it's release in 1977.&nbsp; The main actual evolutionary line of (A)D&amp;D that 4e is claiming descent from always had Half-Elves, Gnomes, Druids, Bards, Paladins and Rangers in it's initial PHB release.&nbsp;&nbsp; I honestly don't count OD&amp;D and Basic D&amp;D as &quot;normal&quot; editions.&nbsp; OD&amp;D is little more than a historical footnote, a &quot;pre 1.0&quot; edition of D&amp;D (what came after it is known as &quot;First Edition&quot; after all).&nbsp; Basic D&amp;D is another footnote that was a sideline to AD&amp;D and not the main developmental line.Yes, 2e removed the Half-Orc, Barbarian, Assassin and Monk, but otherwise all other editions had those classes as well.&nbsp; AD&amp;D 2nd Edition was in no small part about making D&amp;D politically correct to appease anti D&amp;D factions (renaming demons &amp; devils, removing the names &quot;Heaven&quot; and &quot;Hell&quot; from the outer planes, removing assassins, removing half-orcs as PC's), just like it looks like 4th Edition is about intentionally turning its back on the history and traditions of the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wingsandsword, post: 4067999, member: 14159"] Half-Elf 1st Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 16 2nd Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 30 3rd Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 17 3.5 Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 18 Gnome 1st Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 16 2nd Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 30 3rd Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 16 3.5 Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 16 Ranger 1st Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 24 2nd Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 40 3rd Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 44 3.5 Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 46 Paladin 1st Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 22 2nd Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 38 3rd Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 41 3.5 Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 42 Illusionist 1st Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 26 2nd Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 46 3rd Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 54 3.5 Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 57 Druid 1st Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 20 2nd Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 51 3rd Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 33 3.5 Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 33 Bard 1st Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 117 2nd Edition AD&D Players Handbook, Page 58 3rd Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 26 3.5 Edition D&D Players Handbook, Page 26 If they are calling this 4th Edition, that means it's to be considered a successor to what is called "3rd Edition" which means the editions released in 2000 and a revised edition in 2003. What is generally known as "2nd Edition" means AD&D 2nd Edition released in 1989, and "1st Edition" is pretty much universally means AD&D 1e that began it's release in 1977. The main actual evolutionary line of (A)D&D that 4e is claiming descent from always had Half-Elves, Gnomes, Druids, Bards, Paladins and Rangers in it's initial PHB release. I honestly don't count OD&D and Basic D&D as "normal" editions. OD&D is little more than a historical footnote, a "pre 1.0" edition of D&D (what came after it is known as "First Edition" after all). Basic D&D is another footnote that was a sideline to AD&D and not the main developmental line. Yes, 2e removed the Half-Orc, Barbarian, Assassin and Monk, but otherwise all other editions had those classes as well. AD&D 2nd Edition was in no small part about making D&D politically correct to appease anti D&D factions (renaming demons & devils, removing the names "Heaven" and "Hell" from the outer planes, removing assassins, removing half-orcs as PC's), just like it looks like 4th Edition is about intentionally turning its back on the history and traditions of the game. [/QUOTE]

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